Hello Rivendell aficionados! The short version: I’d like some advice on 
picking a fat bike (4-5” wide tires) that shares similar ride 
characteristics with the current crop of Rivendell long chainstay-long 
wheelbase bikes (e.g. Clem, Atlantis, Platy, Gus/Susie).

The long version: I’m in the market for a full-on fat bike, with true 4-5 
inch wide tires. I live in Montana and my previous winter riding with 
studded 3 inch tires just wasn’t enough. We’re a one car family, so in 
addition to riding on winter trails or snowy forest service roads for fun, 
I’ll use the bike for groceries and errands as well. And as much as I’d 
love an Atlantis or Platy for dirt roads, bike camping, and light trail 
use, the more economical choice would be to get a set of 29 inch wheels for 
a fat bike and run 2.8 or 3 inch tires in non-snow season for an all year 
off-road bike. Hence the importance of making a good choice now. 

How I came to desire a Rivendell-esq fat bike: A friend in another state 
got a 2019 Clem and raves about the comfy, stable ride with the long  chain 
stays/wheelbase. But the real kicker was when I got a Yuba Mundo Lux cargo 
bike (https://yubabikes.com/cargobikestore/yuba-mundo-lux/) for hauling my 
two kids around. The swept back bars get me sitting upright, and the crazy 
long chainstay (753mm) and wheelbase (1410) make 150lb loads totally 
manageable. It’s like a Cadillac. Since the Yuba, I’ve vowed that all my 
bikes will be long and upright. Fortunately upright stems and swept back 
bars can take care of the upright part for near any bike, so that leaves 
chainstay/wheelbase length as the big question for a fat bike.

For reference, scroll down here 
(https://bikeinsights.com/compare?geometries=5d1ae74763bde8001707cf36,5e1faf637f17da00170c6e28,)
 
and you can see the chainstay/wheelbase lengths on the Clem and Atlantis, 
both ~550mm for chainstays and ~1235mm for wheelbase. For fat bikes, 
consider these two models 
(https://bikeinsights.com/compare?geometries=5ff009522655ff0017c6e96a,61c0a2add559210021256cf2,).
 
The Wyatt can actually have a longer wheelbase than the Rivendells with its 
sliding dropouts (1250 max wheelbase). But its chainstay is only 465, still 
long-ish for mountain bikes but not near what a Riv or cargo bike is. It 
achieves that with a slack head tube angle that pushes the front tire way 
out front.

Alternatively, the Giant fat bike in the link has a similar max chainstay 
length as the Wyatt (460mm) but a shorter wheelbase (1170mm), leading to a 
more centered position on the bike. I’m unable to find any fat bikes with 
the combination of long chainstay/wheelbase that the Rivendell’s have.

Any tips on which bike, and which geometry approach in general, would get 
me closest to the Rivendell/cargo bike-like comfort and ride quality? Other 
fat bikes? For simplicities sake, I guess don’t evaluate factors other than 
geometry, like frame material. For what it’s worth, there are very few 
chromoly fat bikes.

(Sorry for the length! I appreciate anyone getting into such a bike-nerdy 
discussion)

- Joe

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