Hi Stephanie, I actually wanted a Platypus to get around the city and got one. I highly recommend you getting one for you for that purpose! It's so smooth, flexible and also quick. I wouldn't have many chances for different kind of rides apart from city ride yet and even when I have a chance I would try with the Platypus first anyway.
That said, I still can understand the feeling that "what if I want to ride on trails or have a slightly more aggressive ride?". Leah told me that she enjoys her Platys and Clem which sounds like a good idea. Does anyone else have other idea for ＋1 for platypus? I'd like to know it as reference. Please still share other combination apart from Platy＋1 as well! Masa 2022年12月11日日曜日 5:32:31 UTC+9 Stephanie A.: > At first I thought I really only wanted a Platypus. I bike to get around > the city. What more could I need? And then I started thinking. What if I > want to ride on trails or have a slightly more aggressive ride? I can't > quite say which I'd have as a second bike without riding any of them, but > now I'm thinking I may eventually want an Atlantis, Homer, or Sam... > On Saturday, December 10, 2022 at 12:46:08 PM UTC-5 jasonz...@gmail.com > wrote: > >> Hi Masa! Yes lots of fun and fun yet to be had! Here is a link to the >> two bikes: >> >> https://flickr.com/photos/197124752@N07/shares/C33fDW3gf1 >> >> (still learning how to upload photos here, or use my iPhone to add to >> conversations) >> >> My QB is set up 48-18 free/fixed with a Paul flip flop hub and a SP7 >> polished front hub laced to polished velocity rims and 700cx42 Cava/Rose >> ultradynamico rubber. The crank is Rene Herse SS 171mm crank arm, Paul T&H >> Seatpost, and matching brooks honey saddle with the bar tap. Bars are 600 >> Towel Rack that are absolutely lovely. The brakes are Paul Cantis using >> the cx method of mixing the neos with the touring Cantis. funky monkey on >> the front for some added braking bling power. I love this bike its been >> used for 150 mile races to causal family riding. I could see myself >> touring with it, but like having it clean and rack free to maintain a light >> and fast quick, quickbeam >> >> The Hunq is what I call my Disc-o-pHunqapillar, it is a MUSA Waterford >> Hunq that has been updated by Waltworks to have disc brakes added, which I >> think is a great feature for a heavy touring bike, certainly not critical, >> but I like it, especially when I have my twins linked to the back in their >> burley trailer. It is currently under construction: >> Painting currently pending at D&D to be the grey/kidneybean/lined lugs >> which I think really shines as a classic riv look and fun to have an OG >> painting the OG hunq once more.... >> Bars will be 630 silver towel racks with grey newbaums and maroon Oury >> grips, black and silver drilled TRP levers >> black cable housing with brass ferrels and brass barrel adjusters >> rear brake will be the DISC-o part of the pHunq. I'll have a polished >> Paul Klamper short pull here, the front will be polished silver Paul >> Neo-canti brakes (going to keep it Canti up front) I think this will give >> me ultimate stopping power and a cool/funky (phunqE) look to this bike >> combo brass/silver headset spacers / polished funky monkey front >> 1x White industries crank 38t black chainring, silver crank, 12 Spd rear >> cassette >> black hubs front/rear with shutter precision dyno laced to velocity >> cliffhanger with 700c Ultradynamico MARZ rubber >> I have marks hub area rack for panniers and a mini Nitto campee with a >> sine wave beacon lamp ready for bags and packing not sure if I'll swap out >> for a silver or black pass and stow 5 rail rack instead? Not sure for the >> rear rack at the moment.... thoughts? >> Nitto Jaguar Seatpost, Black/copper Ti brooks Seatpost to finish it off. >> I'll probably start a build thread once I get the Frame/fork back from >> Rick. Stoked for sure! >> >> Cheers, >> >> Jason >> >> On Saturday, December 10, 2022 at 5:37:58 AM UTC-6 Masa wrote: >> >>> Hi Jason, I haven't ridden neither of them but sounds like if you have >>> them you can not only ride everywhere but also have fun everywhere as much >>> as possible as you said. I would like to see photos of the bikes if >>> possible! >>> >>> Masa >>> >>> 2022年12月10日土曜日 1:38:46 UTC+9 jasonz...@gmail.com: >>> >>>> For me, I have a Quickbeam and a Hunqapillar, the riding I do varies >>>> from fast road riding to rough gravel riding to dirt mtb single track >>>> trails. I think these two bikes are on opposite ends of the spectrum with >>>> wide ranges so I can do most everything I enjoy on a bike! >>>> >>>> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 9:02:49 PM UTC-6 Masa wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi JP, I can't take out my eyes off not only your bikes but records >>>>> too! >>>>> I think we have more than one thing in common:) >>>>> >>>>> Masa >>>>> >>>>> 2022年12月9日金曜日 3:33:08 UTC+9 MoVelo: >>>>> >>>>>> [image: Rambo1.jpg]Late to the party but these two have kept me >>>>>> happy. >>>>>> >>>>>> [image: Lego1.jpg] >>>>>> >>>>>> @Max B; I was really struck with how close your Leoglas is to mine. I >>>>>> usually run Chris King hubs laced to Pacneti rims with RH 700x38s, but >>>>>> am >>>>>> trying some slightly wider rubber here. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers and Happy Holiday! >>>>>> >>>>>> JP >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 12:05:10 PM UTC-6 J wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> John- thanks for that GaiaGPS link. It's the first time I've seen it >>>>>>> after hearing about it for years, it's a really nice set up. I really >>>>>>> like >>>>>>> how if you are just scrolling though photos it is simultaneously moving >>>>>>> your point on the route as well in the background. Looks like a lovely >>>>>>> ride. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 12:00:39 PM UTC-5 John Rinker wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hey Masa-san, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You are lucky, indeed! Blue Lug is such a great shop; there are so >>>>>>>> many beautiful bikes and fine parts to enjoy. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I rode to Shikoku on the Shimanami-kaido from Onomichi. This is a >>>>>>>> spectacular way to go there. You must try it sometime. Here are >>>>>>>> GaiaGPS >>>>>>>> tracks and photos >>>>>>>> <https://www.gaiagps.com/public/7xV9qd5vGXF0ueueJufXO3f9> if you >>>>>>>> are interested. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Cheers, John >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 5:18:42 AM UTC-8 Masa wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> John, it was actually you and your Hunq on the blog post! I have >>>>>>>>> been to Shikoku for a holiday by the public transportations but it >>>>>>>>> must be >>>>>>>>> amazing to ride there. I'm glad that you could see many beautiful >>>>>>>>> places >>>>>>>>> here in Japan. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Luckily Blue Lug is my local bike shop so it didn't take long for >>>>>>>>> me to be a Riv fan! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Masa >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 2022年12月8日木曜日 3:28:02 UTC+9 John Rinker: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Yes, Masa, I lived in Yokohama for a couple of years and had the >>>>>>>>>> very good fortune to ride in many beautiful places in Japan. >>>>>>>>>> Yakushima and >>>>>>>>>> Shikoku were my favorites! And, you are not mistaken, Chuyan at Blue >>>>>>>>>> Lug >>>>>>>>>> Hatagaya took some photos of my bike one day, so he must have posted >>>>>>>>>> them >>>>>>>>>> on the blog. Great bike shop with friendly, helpful staff. Another >>>>>>>>>> favorite >>>>>>>>>> of mine. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>>> John >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 5:10:29 AM UTC-8 Masa wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> It's really interesting to read how people are enjoying/planning >>>>>>>>>>> to ride 2 Rivendells! >>>>>>>>>>> It seems like most of you have 2 different type Rivs for >>>>>>>>>>> different occasions as I was vaguely imaging for my future as well. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> As Keith pointed out the tricky point is that if you get second >>>>>>>>>>> bike for a different purpose which you barely have chances to go, >>>>>>>>>>> you will >>>>>>>>>>> end up to ride just one but not both of them. >>>>>>>>>>> That made me think that I should get the second Riv if I "need" >>>>>>>>>>> it while I got my first one mostly because I did "want" it. >>>>>>>>>>> (Well it's really hard to separate these feelings though) >>>>>>>>>>> Anyway I am going to ride my Platypus as much as possible for >>>>>>>>>>> now and will see if I need another one:) >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Otherwise actually it's a really simple thing. Having 2 bikes >>>>>>>>>>> you really love and "ride all the time and alternate daily" as John >>>>>>>>>>> said. >>>>>>>>>>> John, if I'm not mistaken I have seen your Hunq on Blue Lug's >>>>>>>>>>> blog before. You have lived in Japan? The Hunq and the Atlantis are >>>>>>>>>>> both so >>>>>>>>>>> beautiful! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Masa >>>>>>>>>>> 2022年12月7日水曜日 17:55:05 UTC+9 Luke Hendrickson: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> John, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> What a two bike collection you have! Since I have the Riv I’ve >>>>>>>>>>>> always wanted (Atlantis), now I’m yearning for a Hunq. Such a >>>>>>>>>>>> lovely, >>>>>>>>>>>> lugged beaut. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 11:34:11 PM UTC-8 John Rinker >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey Masa, >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm stoked to own two Rivs- a Waterford Hunqapillar and a Toyo >>>>>>>>>>>>> Atlantis. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> The Hunq was my first bike from Rivendell which I bought new >>>>>>>>>>>>> in 2015. I had the great pleasure of working with Keven M on >>>>>>>>>>>>> ordering and >>>>>>>>>>>>> dialing the bike in. Right out of the box it was a go-anywhere, >>>>>>>>>>>>> do-anything >>>>>>>>>>>>> bike, and it has been tested to its limits all over the world. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Or, should I >>>>>>>>>>>>> say, it has tested my limits! This is the >>>>>>>>>>>>> One-Bike-To-Rule-Them-All as far >>>>>>>>>>>>> as I'm concerned. >>>>>>>>>>>>> [image: IMG_6440.jpeg] >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I was fortunate enough to find a Toyo Atlantis a couple of >>>>>>>>>>>>> summers ago in this group. I chose the Atlantis because I still >>>>>>>>>>>>> wanted a >>>>>>>>>>>>> trail-worthy bike that could handle a load, but also one that >>>>>>>>>>>>> could be >>>>>>>>>>>>> pared down for a lighter, more nimble ride. Further, I wanted a >>>>>>>>>>>>> bike made >>>>>>>>>>>>> in Japan by Toyo because...well...because of my love affair with >>>>>>>>>>>>> Japanese >>>>>>>>>>>>> dedication to craftsmanship. It's a beautiful bicycle that >>>>>>>>>>>>> provides a >>>>>>>>>>>>> dreamy ride. >>>>>>>>>>>>> [image: Atlantis in the Snow.JPG] >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> As far as the problem of bikes not being ridden enough is >>>>>>>>>>>>> concerned, my solution has been to ride all the time and >>>>>>>>>>>>> alternate daily- >>>>>>>>>>>>> when the Hunq rolls on Monday, then the Atlantis rocks on Tuesday. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers, John >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 3:27:33 PM UTC-8 >>>>>>>>>>>>> fra...@gmail.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I feel very happy with my 2 Rivendell bikes stable. I use my >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Clem H everyday for groceries and towing my daughter around >>>>>>>>>>>>>> (studded tires >>>>>>>>>>>>>> with fenders now). It could easily be stripped down and be a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> fantastic dirt >>>>>>>>>>>>>> road exploration bike, but I am fortunate to have a Susie for >>>>>>>>>>>>>> that and the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Susie has an incredible ride!I’d love to add something like a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sam for >>>>>>>>>>>>>> lighter, quicker rides, but I’m slow on any bike so I doubt it >>>>>>>>>>>>>> would make a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> big difference. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 2:33:38 PM UTC-8 Ryan wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes...indeed we do, Bill. And all of them have a story >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I do like your thinking >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 3:10:22 PM UTC-6 Bill >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lindsay wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Keith articulated a problem statement: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "The problem is that you end end up with bikes that are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> specialized or optimized for one thing but don't get ridden >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> enough because >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - in the end - you're ALWAYS going to just grab the one you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like best and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fits the best and that you are most familiar with. The one >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that has become >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an extension of you." >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> While I have no doubt that this kind of things DOES happen, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I reject the notion that it MUST happen. People acquire bikes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for lots of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reasons, and later on change their minds about the bike and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get rid of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them. Curating a stable takes effort and self-knowledge, but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> well-curated stable is not impossible. Plenty of people have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stables of 5, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 10 or even more bikes, and are perfectly content to keep them >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all. N+1 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> does not require one to fall out of love with another bike. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It only >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> depends how much room one has in their heart for bikes. Some >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of us have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> VERY LARGE HEARTS. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bill "big-hearted" Lindsay >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> El Cerrito, CA >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 10:43:21 AM UTC-8 iamkeith >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> People typically choose two Rivendell bikes by thinking >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about what the eventual third one will be, and by calculating >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> how they will >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all complement each other and round things out. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This sounds sort of tongue-in-cheek, but it's common in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> practice because of the addiction/collector gene that all >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bike geeks >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> possess. N+1 is real. You're always going to "think" you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> need another: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> One that's lighter and suited for long, fast paved trips; or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one that has >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fatter tires and is better suited for exploring dirt roads >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and trails; or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> better equipped for loaded touring; or one that's equipped as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a town bike >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for shopping and carrying things; or one that's robust and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fendered for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> winter commuting. So what seems like an obvious answer is to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get two >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> models that are as different as possible - like a Roadini and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a Gus - to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cover all bases.... but this thinking is a trap. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The problem is that you end end up with bikes that are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> specialized or optimized for one thing but don't get ridden >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> enough because >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - in the end - you're ALWAYS going to just grab the one you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like best and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fits the best and that you are most familiar with. The one >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that has become >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an extension of you. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My advice would be to do the opposite: Think about the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> range of riding that you do on a *regular* basis, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pick two models separated only by that degree of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> optimization. If you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't regularly do group rides with roadies, you really don't >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> need that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Roadini. If you don't live in the mountains, you really >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't need that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gus. If you don't plan to tour - or could get by with a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lighter load or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> credit card the one time you do - then you don't really need >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an Atlantis. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can ALWAYS do those things on any other Rivendell model. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You might >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just go a tiny bit slower. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With this thinking, you'll admittedly end up with bikes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with a lot of functional overlap, but I promise you'll use >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> both of them >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more. If you tinker with one at a time, you can also >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experiment with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> things like different cockpit setups and gearing and tires to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your heart's >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> content, without finding yourself without a bike to ride >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mid-project, while >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you're tracking down some obscure spacer or ferrule that you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> didn't know >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you needed. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So unless you really DO participate in those more extreme >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> activities, you could maybe get a Sam if your tire and fender >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clearance are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> good but you think you'll regularly need a stiffer frame than >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Platypus. Or get a Clem L if you like the step-through but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> regularly need >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fatter tires than the Platypus. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Leah, when faced with your exact quandary, did the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> smartest thing ever and just got a second Platypus! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I started accumulating rivendells (and other bikes) at a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different time. Compared to the much older and more >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> speciaiized ones that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I own, the current range of Rivendell bikes - with the longer >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> top tubes and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> longer chainstays and slacker head angles and increased tire >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clearance - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> across the entire range - are SO good. Combined with the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ready >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> availability of quality, fat tires now on the market, it's >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hard to make a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mistake. I often think how much simpler my life would be if >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I got rid of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> most of what I have and chose one new one - but I'm too >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> emotionally >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> attached still. So many now hang un-used... making me feel >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guilty... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> while I inevitably grab the "one." >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 10:52:42 PM UTC-7 Masa >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all, I would like to ask you how you would choose 2 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rivendells if you could own. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which models? What kind of purposes? What kind of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> weather? What kind of roads? Any definition is welcome. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm currently riding a Platypus and I feel like I can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ride it everywhere for any purpose as Riv says it's an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> All-rounder so I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just would like to know how you would add one more Riv or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> how you are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> riding 2 Rivs already as a reference (possibly for my future >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2nd Riv). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I hope you enjoy the topic! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Masa >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/c38774e2-0ac7-4d40-846b-52b7438d9d1bn%40googlegroups.com.
