Just to clarify Peter, these wheels are not found as completes from the "wheels" category, they are built to order via the "Custom wheelset builder" with wrench icon, from the menu on the left, it's the 9th category down, before you even get into a parts category.
While there are a few premade rim brake wheels with Deore T610 hubs from Quality, they are machine built and hand finished, supposedly ! Yet for the same amount or even less you can have them made by their builders from scratch. There's even some 135mm premade freewheel hub'd wheels but those hub bearing races are likely aren't so hot. At least with Deore T-610 cassette rim brake hubs they are quiet like freewheels and the freehub bodies are also available if need be. They are completely serviceable to clean and relube like any freewheel. On Sunday, June 19, 2022 at 9:29:02 PM UTC-4 lug...@gmail.com wrote: > thanks. > I'll look at those both. > I did dip into the Universal website for a minute. most of what they seem > to offer in wheels was for Disc brakes. and I am not there yet. I couldn't > find much for Rim brakes. > but I wrote them, told them what I needed and asked what they suggested. > > thanks for the leads. > > Peter > > On Sunday, June 19, 2022 at 3:50:12 PM UTC-4 Garth wrote: > >> All of that is quite relevant Peter ! I'm pretty much the same way, I >> don't care about bling, function over form. The only reason I own a Riv >> frame is it's function, the Bombadil frame fits me perfectly. I had it >> repainted to a solid color w/o decals. I really didn't want to be bothered >> with acquiring any, and given the choice like I had, I chose "just the >> paint please !". I've ridden freewheels my whole life up until a few years >> ago I bought a wheel made with a Deore hub and Rhyno Lite rim. I'm still >> not enamored with cassette hubs in general, but given the absence of 135mm >> Phil Wood freewheel hubs anymore I gave them a try. They just work, so good >> enough. I know people look at PW hubs as bling but for 135mm FW hubs there >> wasn't much choice. I'd never buy one their cassette hubs, or any other of >> the noisy, high end overly complicated pain in the arse in waiting hub. >> >> So surely not everyone who rides a Riv cares for or about bling. >> Anyways, I totally get where you're coming from. I just so happen to have >> been wheel shopping and like you, I just want something true and will stay >> that way, but surely on the modest side. So my "recommends" are what I'm >> looking at for myself. >> Two places I'm considering to have custom wheels built are >> Universalcycles.com and Benscycle.com. They both have online configurators >> that you choose your parts based on their current offerings. >> I'll just post screenshots of the 2 builds I made up. >> >> The Ben's Cycle online builder is totally wonky for choosing rims and >> hubs. It's best to open the rim and hub in it's own web page and click "add >> to builder". At the top of the page you'll see the configurator . Choosing >> spokes and nipples and details "no rim tape" all work from there. Trust me, >> I've tried adding rims and hubs using the configuator and there is always >> and error, so you must start over. so you start over and the same thing >> happens. By accident I discovered the workaround was going directly to the >> parts web page and "add to builder" from there. If you have a problem >> finding the links for any of the parts just ask. >> >> The Universal cycles one is easier, at least the menu options work Work >> left to right on the menu options. >> >> I only recommend these if you can pick up from Buffalo, as you mentioned. >> Ben's offers half price shipping to Canada, but it's still like $80. >> Universal doesn't off and upfront estimation for shipping to Canada without >> logging in and using a Canada address to estimate it. >> >> The Sun SR25 clincher is old school anodised, like the way MA40's were. >> No silly premade brake tracks. The CR18 is polished, the only one they had >> in stock in 32 hole. >> >> Deore hubs , at least the one I have, needed more grease(just pack it !) >> and adjusted as any cup and cone does. The factory preload was too much. It >> needs to be set oh so slightly loose, which under QR tension goes away and >> is perfect ! >> >> Both of these builds should be excellent. I have a new unused set from >> Universal that by hand feels taught and even. I've not bought wheels from >> Bens but have read only good things about their builds. While I have 2 sets >> of Joe Young wheels and 1 from Rich @Riv, they add up faster than I can pay >> going forward, so I decided to let loose my self imposed restriction that I >> HAD to use a high end builder, including building my own again, which I >> have lots a old and new parts to play with once I get a decent truing stand >> that isn't named Park. >> >> That's the story and I'm sticking to it ! 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