The thing with bike fit is that there is always room for improvement and 
more knowledge.  For instance, I recently did a fit with a guy who had been 
fit using the Retul method.  He was complaining of knee pain and lower back 
pain.  The Retul fit had put his saddle height 2.5 cm too high, and he was 
reaching to the bottom of the pedal stroke.  Thing of it is: he thought it 
was good, and he was fast and powerful, and that the pain was just a side 
effect, something he had to work through.  I've fit many riders who thought 
they had a proper fit but had still had pain, and often their set up is 
wildly off, to the point of being damaging to their bodies.  I'm not saying 
I have all the answers, or even most of them.  I am just saying there 
should always be room for a second look, and certainly always a place for 
improvement.  

-james

On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 6:31:38 AM UTC-4 larson....@gmail.com wrote:

> Very interesting! Thank you for shedding some light on this. I am ‘wide 
> bar curious’, but 44cm Cowchippers, Jones Loop Bars at 710mm and Sycip JJJ 
> bars seem to work well for me.
>
> On Sunday, April 10, 2022 at 5:53:40 PM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Fascinating! But, does any of this translate to swept back bars - Bosco, 
>> Tosco…? I feel very comfortable riding my 650 wide Tosco’s. However, I am 
>> noticing some inexplicable tension/pain between my shoulder blades. Never 
>> while riding mind you.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 10, 2022, at 4:43 PM, James / Analog Cycles <analog...@gmail.com> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> I know lots of folks on the list use Jones bars or similar.  I thought it 
>> might be useful to have a sizing metric for these bars, as none seems to 
>> formally exist.  We've been using this method for a while, and it seems to 
>> be more or less on point every time.  
>> Analog's internal math we use to cut down / choose alt bars for riders:
>> https://analogcycles.com/pages/alt-bar-picker
>>
>> -James / Analog Cycles / Tanglefoot Cycles / Discord Components / Fifth 
>> Season Canvas
>>
>>
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