Mark- You're probably correct on your insights! I received a helpful reply 
from Bill although I missed out on his bike while deliberating, and agree 
with your assessment of setting the bike up similarly to James which is 
also pretty much the direction Johnny's response was taking me. 

Lance and Jon- Thanks for the messages. I'd love to come down to Littleton 
and ride sometime. I know Andrew on this group has a 2001 Toyo Atlantis and 
would also be interested in riding. Front Range Riv Riders is not *yet *a 
club, but anyone Riding Riv's on the Front Range is welcome to it! 

I'll be in Bear Creek Lake Park this Saturday morning the 2nd if a 10:30 or 
11am ride might work out of the Littleton area, and if not, could do 
Sunday. Otherwise, potentially April 17 or the May 8th or May 15th, or a 
Saturday at 2pm or afterwards on the 16th of April or 7th or 14th of May. 

If anyone is interested feel free to send me an email directly at 
beit...@gmail.com and I'll put together an email to organize.

Christian in Boulder with 3 Steel Bikes and None o' Them *Yet *Riv's

On Monday, March 28, 2022 at 1:47:51 PM UTC-6 row.n.2...@gmail.com wrote:

> Lance
> Is Front Range Riv Riders a Club?
> I live in Larkspur but all my rides start at Reynolds Landing behind 
> Breckenridge Brewing Company. Love riding to Big Dry Creek to Highline.
> I have a Sam, Platypus, and. Cheviot.
> Best
> Jon Dukeman
>
> On Mon, Mar 28, 2022, 9:19 AM Lance Terry <lwt...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Christian, I'm down in Littleton. I just finished up an Atlantis 
>> build. It's a 62cm however,  but you're welcome to give it a try. We can 
>> probably move stuff around enough to make it ridable for you to at least 
>> give you an idea. I have a 60 Platypus also that's a lot of fun. I have to 
>> travel this week but maybe sometime after that we can get together. 
>> Lance
>> On Monday, March 21, 2022 at 10:39:33 AM UTC-6 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Good morning!
>>> I don't know how you'd define "a few hours," but I'm in Omaha, NE and 
>>> have a 59cm. If for some strange reason you found yourself in town, you'd 
>>> be more than welcome to give it a spin. I'm confident, though, that you'll 
>>> encounter one a little closer to home.
>>>
>>> Ben in Omaha. 
>>>
>>> On Monday, March 21, 2022 at 11:10:31 AM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>>
>>>> Rivendell likes to put people in the MAX size possible. With the 
>>>> expanded geometry I am almost always at the top of one size and the very 
>>>> bottom of another.  Rivendell has suggested the larger sizes but time has 
>>>> shown me that I prefer to be at the top of a size vs the bottom contrary 
>>>> to 
>>>> what they would push for me.  It looks like you might be exactly the same 
>>>> with the Atlantis frame. A PBH of 89.5 is the minimum size that that they 
>>>> would recommend for the 59 which would put you at the very bottom for that 
>>>> size and at the top for the 55.  That makes it tricky and a lot will come 
>>>> down to personal preference. I hope you can find a good source for a try 
>>>> out!! 
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, March 21, 2022 at 9:48:13 AM UTC-4 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I am still new here but I suspect you will get a lot of folks 
>>>>> suggesting you depend on & trust the advice on fit that is available just 
>>>>> from talking to the folks at Riv. They will not steer you wrong. Of 
>>>>> course 
>>>>> there is nothing wrong with riding first if the opportunity presents 
>>>>> itself.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mar 21, 2022, at 1:32 AM, Christian B-H a<bei...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi All-
>>>>>
>>>>> A Riv admirer from afar since 2019 thanks to my Rivspirational Uncle 
>>>>> Andy in SF. Grant's Bluhgs and Riv-stuff kept me mostly sane from 2019 
>>>>> till 
>>>>> now and influenced my decision to get a steel "gravel" bike with bigger 
>>>>> tires over carbon.  I had a chance in July 2021 to  go to Walnut Creek, 
>>>>> and 
>>>>> my wife and friends who joined will attest I was like a kid in a candy 
>>>>> shop. I remember glancing over at Grant who was practicing laps on the 
>>>>> long-stemmed, mini cycle with James, and then looking back at Antonio, 
>>>>> who 
>>>>> had Grant's Appaloosa in hand and saying, "Really? I can *ride HIS 
>>>>> bike?*" (photo below- Me with Friend in Hat clarifying with Antonio. 
>>>>> My wife in the background experiencing the Riv magic). 
>>>>>
>>>>> [image: 1866700f-dbed-4501-9ad3-abec74f90665.JPG]
>>>>>
>>>>> That day however I left with one thought in mind: Jame's Atlantis was 
>>>>> the smoothest, best feeling bike I've ever ridden. Even if it was a size 
>>>>> or 
>>>>> so too small. 
>>>>>
>>>>> So, looking to determine what *size* Atlantis I'd be ahead of this 
>>>>> next order, my question for this group is: *Is there anyone within a 
>>>>> a few hours of Boulder, CO with a 55-60cm Atlantis who'd be willing to 
>>>>> let 
>>>>> me test ride? *
>>>>>
>>>>> I *think *I've seen at least one Atlantis in the wild here, and I *know 
>>>>> *I've seen a few other Riv's around here...I'd love the opportunity 
>>>>> to ride an Atlantis again before buying to help figure out sizing (I know 
>>>>> PBH (89), calling to discuss, email etc. I've done it. I just want to see 
>>>>> if I should go 55 or 59  based on feel, and experience the ride one more 
>>>>> time to see which bike I may have to get rid of to help the purchase 
>>>>> along....). 
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for any help!
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>>
>>>>> Christian Beitel-Horton in Boulder, CO
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