Thanks for all the recommendations! Rivet does have a couple of models that 
are shorter and, though generally more expensive than Brooks, are not as 
expensive as the Gilles Berthoud Marie Blanque. As far as unsprung models 
for more upright riding, Brooks doesn't have anything currently available 
except B17S. I'm not sure the Berthoud is even available in the U.S. except 
by order from France. I haven't run across anything non-leather that would 
look good on the bike and be functional. One thing I learned from this 
search is to measure my sit bone width which makes the likelihood greater 
of having success from ordering a saddle I can't try in advance. Rivet does 
have a good return policy though.
Linda

On Thursday, February 3, 2022 at 6:07:08 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> [image: FECE4CC1-CCA6-48D0-A2BA-33437A674267.jpeg]I have a white leather 
> Rivet on my raspberry Platypus! It is shorter, but also that means it 
> cheats you of some setback on your seatpost. I love it for comfort though. 
> Rivet Sonora.
>
> Leah
>
>
> On Thursday, February 3, 2022 at 5:38:32 PM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:
>
>> I think Rivet has some shorter nosed saddles, too.  Good reputation.  
>> I've never ridden one, though.
>>
>> On Thursday, February 3, 2022 at 10:33:00 AM UTC-5 Linda G wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for all the good ideas. That Berthoud Marie Blanque looks good: 
>>> leather with the shorter length I like. 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, February 3, 2022 at 6:03:36 AM UTC-8 sof...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On my platypus (soon to be on my Clem), I've tried the B17 regular, B17 
>>>> special, B67s, and have settled on the speedy but comfier to me Gilles 
>>>> Berthoud Marie Blanque. 
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 at 11:38:16 PM UTC-5 Nick Payne wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> After having tried quite a number of different saddles over the years, 
>>>>> my wife has the Selle Italia Lady Gel flow saddle (in the 160mm wide L 
>>>>> size) on all her bikes: 
>>>>> https://www.selleitalia.com/en/saddles/lady-gel-flow-s/.
>>>>>
>>>>> Nick
>>>>>
>>>>

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