a Gunnar with custom curved blade Waterford fork is $1150.
Interesting price points both companies are juggling here.  It all
sounds good to me.

delete the extra top tube and lower the price $100.  Then you got the
lovely lugged, sloping top tube, steel forked, American made (mostly)
$1000 beaut.   still not a fan of double top tube aesthetics.  a
curvey Retrotec is on thing.

On May 5, 11:46 am, JoelMatthews <joelmatth...@mac.com> wrote:
> > Me too.  I can't think of any reason to put a double top tube on a
> > road bike,
>
> How about they look so darn cool?
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/retrotec-inglis-cycles/4561446951/
>
> (for the record, while I really like curved double top tubes, I am not
> sold on the straight).
>
> On May 5, 1:29 pm, MichaelH <mhech...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Me too.  I can't think of any reason to put a double top tube on a
> > road bike, and even on a mt. bike it is overkill for all but the most
> > extreme users.  I wouldn't consider buying a bike with a double top
> > tube.  How many failures has Grant experienced with the top tubes on
> > the Atlantis - Rambouillet - AHH?  Or even the Heron.   I'll bet it's
> > pretty close to zero, and if there was one it was due to workmanship,
> > not a design flaw.
>
> > Michael
>
> > On May 3, 9:25 pm, eflayer <eddie.fla...@att.net> wrote:
>
> > > i am a bit more perplexed by the mention of two top tubes?  a new
> > > viral advertising campaign for new stuff from Riv.  I can be with
> > > that.  Grant is the master.
>
> > > On May 3, 6:07 pm, Johnny Alien <johnnyal...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > > > It sounds like there are some 56 and 60's coming in now from Taiwan.
> > > > They sell for $1000 and come with BB and seatpost and use sidepulls.
>
> > > > Then after that the SH frame will be made by Waterford and come with a
> > > > Taiwan fork.  No BB or seatpost and made for canti brakes....priced at
> > > > $1250.
>
> > > > I am not sure what the 56 and 60's from Waterford by special request
> > > > means.  I assume all sizes will be orange.
>
> > > > They are more expensive but I find this news exciting.
>
> > > > On May 3, 9:01 pm, eflayer <eddie.fla...@att.net> wrote:
>
> > > > > just posted to the Riv site.
>
> > > > > Waterford is building Hillbornes?  Larger ones will have two top
> > > > > tubes?  Two top tubes on a 56 cm frame?
>
> > > > > "Here's  what's coming:
> > > > > Orange, side-pull, 56cm and 60cm Sam Hillborne frames arriving from
> > > > > Taiwan mid June.  $1000.  Frames are available!
>
> > > > > All other sizes becoming available in mid to late May from Waterford.
> > > > > Taiwan fork, Waterford frame.  Same orange.  $1250.  No bb or
> > > > > seatpost.  56cm and 60cm Waterford Sam Hillborne frames also available
> > > > > on request.  All Waterford frames will be designed for cantilever
> > > > > brakes and you get 2 top tubes (at no extra charge!) on frames 56cm
> > > > > and larger."
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