Roberta, I loved reading about your path to a Rivendell. I currently have a vintage Specialized HardRock, but I am switching over to an ’86 Diamondback Ascent, which is a much nicer frame. It will serve as a great trail bike for now. I grew tired of vintage road bikes with limited tire clearance, which is why I originally looked into Rivendell. Susie has been a wonderful distraction, but I am content to wait for a Platypus. I like that my first Riv bike will be a distinctly Rivendell-ish ride.
Of course, there is always the possibility I will press the BUY button on a Susie in a fit of extravagance!!! Stay tuned… On Monday, December 13, 2021 at 1:12:50 AM UTC-5 Nathan F wrote: > Just to put the final nail in the Platypus tire clearance debate's coffin: > I'm running the same 2.2" tires as Ray Varella, tubeless, and they fit > great with plenty of mud clearance. I'm not going to take a picture, you'll > just have to believe us! Those Herse tires are the perfect Platypus tires > for mixed surface riding. > > Personally, I'd only get a Gus / Susie if I absolutely *needed* a big MTB > tire. That would be riding trails, and by that I mean single track, not > unpaved paths and gravel roads, 95% of the time. > > If you'd only like a 2.2" max, get a Platypus or a Clem! > > Nathan in pdx > On Sunday, 12 December 2021 at 18:22:22 UTC-8 Roberta wrote: > >> Oh, boy, am I enjoying this thread. Laura, our stories are similar and >> I was in your position just 4 1/2 years ago. We are the same age. Feel >> free to jump to executive summary, for those of you who know my story. >> >> Background: >> In HS, I bought a bike in '75 or so (perhaps the same model that you >> bought) and rode that happily, except for the frequency of flat tires, >> until it got stolen in 1990. Then I bought a Specialized Hard Rock, a >> mountain bike with wider tires. It was perfect for the poorly maintained >> streets of the city, and I rode that for 30 years until I finally admitted >> to myself that although I liked riding, I didn't love riding that mountain >> bike as a road bike. The search was on and I found Rivendell and this >> group. >> >> I had no preconceptions of which Riv I wanted. I tested a Cheviot, a Sam >> Hillborne, an Atlantis. I asked the people on the list. Someone >> suggested the Joe Appaloosa, which is what I eventually bought and rode >> with dizzying happiness for 3 1/2 years. That was an investment that >> bought me more joy than I imagined. >> >> I bought an used A Homer Hilsen to keep at my office so I could ride the >> Joe A at home on the weekends and the AHH during the week at work. I was >> in cycling heaven. >> >> Then, the Platypus happened. I wanted a step thru for my retirement bike >> a few years into the future. I heeded the groups advice: If you see a >> bike you want, buy it, because there is no guarantee it will be available >> when your time frame comes. >> >> As much as I loved the Joe A, that was the one I sold because I never >> rode the trails or did touring that would make its ride shine the most--I >> ride MUPS and paved trails mostly. >> >> Executive Summary: >> Buy the bike you really want for the job you want to use it for, when the >> bike is available. Listen to your heart. >> >> I bought the Platy because it was available "today," even though my time >> frame was three years out. I put 43cm barely aggressive tires on my Platy, >> because I see it as a sleek road bike, but if I want to rode on dirt packed >> paths, I can. (AHH has Gravel King slicks.) If you want a mostly road >> bike that can go onto packed paths, a Platy with wider 48-50's) more >> aggressive tires will fit the bill. If you want more of a bike that goes >> on unpaved paths mostly, get the Suzie. >> >> Not unimportant, you'll be able to buy a Suzie years before Platys might >> be back in stock. Whatever Riv's good intentions for promise dates are, >> much is out of their control. I think I waited about 9 months past the >> expected due date of my Platy. I see the Suzie/Platy as very >> complimentary bikes, much more so than my AHH/Platy. BTW, if you want one >> bike and don't mind a diamond frame, I think the Joe Appaloosa is worth >> considering. >> >> Here's the good news: With Rivendells, there isn't a bad choice. You >> could sell a bike that no longer fits your needs and sometimes get lucky on >> a used one someone else is selling. >> >> I look forward to seeing pictures of you and your bike when you get it. >> >> Roberta >> On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 3:43:12 PM UTC-5 me2g...@gmail.com wrote: >> >>> I did use the word “should” which are fighting words! Yes, I was >>> describing a very non-Susie bike. For that, I stand corrected. But, I am >>> someone that longed for a Susie for months only to pass on a purchase. It >>> is impossible to play mental gymnastics without visualizing the bike I >>> would want to buy… I seem to want Clem and Susie to get together and have a >>> kid! >>> On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 3:12:10 PM UTC-5 Garth wrote: >>> >>>> Well Laura, In the art of communication I swear it's miracle we >>>> understand anything at all about anyone and anything ! Hence, I find the >>>> idea that we *ought. should, could or would *know just the perfect >>>> thing to say at all times, "or else" we either play the part of the >>>> mis-understand-er or the mis-understood. It's akin to darned if you do and >>>> darned if you don't ..... where *you're darned no matter what you say >>>> or do* seems the standard bearer. Well that's just silly, it's no >>>> standard at all ! >>>> >>>> My comment was about the nature of the Susie design to begin with in >>>> response to musing about the Susie being a step-thru. That's all. It was >>>> no >>>> "attack" for goodness sake as Joe assumes. My comment about Riv buyers not >>>> getting what they want for a certain stock price was not a personal >>>> pointing at you rather a generalized comment that I've seen it many times. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 12:37:55 PM UTC-5 me2g...@gmail.com >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Garth… I hope my post did not read as demanding or complaining! It was >>>>> meant as a thoughtful opinion, especially in light of the Gus/Susie >>>>> possible demise. Riv has begun to make less expensive tig-welded frames >>>>> in >>>>> large part, I assume, because people requested them. Enough customer >>>>> opinions resulted in new stock. I wanted to show support for more variety >>>>> within the HILLIBIKE category. And my appreciation for fillet brazed and >>>>> lugged frames. >>>>> >>>>> On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 10:17:01 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Laura , the reason the Gus and Susie Longbolts are so similar is >>>>>> because they are of the same blueprint, with slightly\ lighter tubing >>>>>> and a >>>>>> threaded stem denoting the Susie. If one wants a step-thru Riv has other >>>>>> bikes, or have a custom made. I know people balk at customs because of >>>>>> the >>>>>> price, but looking at stock frames, seeing what you don't want and then >>>>>> criticizing them for it, and wishing/demanding they make it stock.... >>>>>> that >>>>>> seems a way of placing responsibility where it doesn't belong. I've seen >>>>>> it >>>>>> countless times. >>>>>> >>>>>> That nature of the names though are a Riv reader contribution >>>>>> contest. Susie Longbolts/Wolbis Slugstone came from a set of certain >>>>>> letter >>>>>> arranged by readers. There was no gender intention involved or implied. >>>>>> What's in name anyways ? A "Boy named Sue ?" ... that famous Johnny >>>>>> Cash >>>>>> song .... ask him what it's about ! Hahahaha !!!! As with any bike, >>>>>> it's >>>>>> not it's paint on the surface, it's not the letters on the paint that >>>>>> make >>>>>> or break it.... it's the bike in whole that is everything. >>>>>> On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 8:07:49 AM UTC-5 me2g...@gmail.com >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> iamkeith, no worries… in my angst-filled journey of new bicycle >>>>>>> calculations, many factors have influenced me. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Leah… I favor lugs & fillet brazing! For me, it is an investment >>>>>>> worth making. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In my humble peanut gallery opinion, they should have made the >>>>>>> differences between the Gus & Susie models more distinct. To compliment >>>>>>> Gus, the Susie would have benefited if it had step-thru qualities and a >>>>>>> lower bottom bracket. Making it a leisure-minded trail bike with >>>>>>> hand-crafted goodness. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I hope Rivendell creates another fillet brazed bike in the future. >>>>>>> Trying to sell these unique frames must be extra difficult during Covid >>>>>>> chaos. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 7:28:00 AM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding >>>>>>> Ding! wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> To FURTHER foul up the decision-making process, did you all read in >>>>>>>> Grant’s Blahg that they are working on the Roscopus? See below: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 3. Rosco-Plats: Like the Platypus, but less lugged, and with 100 >>>>>>>> percent straight, strong, safe, beautiful CLEM forks that just >>>>>>>> happened to >>>>>>>> have the threaded rack bosses mis-drilled ever so slightly, to the >>>>>>>> extent >>>>>>>> that we couldn't sell them as perfect, but their flub is visual only, >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> we're getting deals on them and so designed frames around them, and >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> frames are gonna be fantastic and inexpensive by our standards. Think >>>>>>>> Platypus-Clem offspring. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Decisions, decisions, Laura! What will you do now? >>>>>>>> Leah >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Dec 12, 2021, at 6:16 AM, Fullylugged <bruce.h...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> To Doug's comments on Clem L: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I put a local rider with spine issues on one about 2 years ago to >>>>>>>> suit her need for a comfortable upright ride. She is mostly on >>>>>>>> pavement, >>>>>>>> but some of that is coarse chipseal. We built the bike with >>>>>>>> Continental >>>>>>>> "Basketball" tires instead of Schwalbes to get a livelier ride. She >>>>>>>> has no >>>>>>>> trouble doing club rides at 18 mph when desired, or tooling on gravel >>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>> under 10 mph. It's been a winner all around and of course, Clem is one >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>> Rivs more reasonably prices models. Leah who posted about her Platypus >>>>>>>> also >>>>>>>> has a Clem L and enjoys it as well, though not as much as her Platy, I >>>>>>>> think. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> To the earlier comment about most rivs riding anywhere: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Yes, The "Adventure bike" zeitgeist of :any bike, any road is fully >>>>>>>> embraced by rivendell. All models have limits and some do one thing or >>>>>>>> another better than something else, but you can't go wrong with any >>>>>>>> Rivendell of any era. I have a 1995 Road model. With gravel tires on, >>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>> does that just fine. With fat road tires, it handles all the surfaces >>>>>>>> I am >>>>>>>> likely to be on. Of my 4 bikes, it is the one that gets most of the >>>>>>>> miles >>>>>>>> every year. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Bruce >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Monday, December 6, 2021 at 7:16:14 AM UTC-6 Doug H. wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Laura, >>>>>>>>> I can put the Clem L in the category you are searching just to >>>>>>>>> muddy the waters. Mine is the Lime Olive and is set up 1x10 with >>>>>>>>> knobby >>>>>>>>> tires, 2.3 wide I believe. It is equally efficient on trails, gravel >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> asphalt. It climbs unbelievably for a 32 pound bicycle. In fact, it >>>>>>>>> has >>>>>>>>> made me rethink the weight of a bike being a significant factor in >>>>>>>>> climbing >>>>>>>>> and accelerating. >>>>>>>>> Doug >>>>>>>>> Athens, Ga >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Monday, December 6, 2021 at 7:33:05 AM UTC-5 me2g...@gmail.com >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> EDIT… >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Jarad = Jared >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Lime green = Lime olive >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 2022 orange Platypus = my prediction >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Monday, December 6, 2021 at 6:49:28 AM UTC-5 Laura B wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Jarad, thank you for your insights. I have to laugh because the >>>>>>>>>>> answers have made me confident that either bike will be a great >>>>>>>>>>> all-rounder, but the answers have also made me yearn for both! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> So, I am back to square one. Loving both bikes for their >>>>>>>>>>> potential to compliment one another, but having no idea which one I >>>>>>>>>>> like >>>>>>>>>>> best as an all-rounder! Shallow me… the orange of the current Susie >>>>>>>>>>> was >>>>>>>>>>> easily tipping the balance in that direction. When they announced >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> current colors, it placed both bikes on equal ground. I have no >>>>>>>>>>> doubt I will sweat it out till the last minute! I also predict I >>>>>>>>>>> will buy a >>>>>>>>>>> lime green Susie in 2021, then go nuts when an orange Platypus is >>>>>>>>>>> released >>>>>>>>>>> in 2022!!! >>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, December 5, 2021 at 11:27:52 PM UTC-5 >>>>>>>>>>> duh...@gmail.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Both bike will do what you're looking for, and you wont come >>>>>>>>>>>> near the limitations of either. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I had a Susie and my fiancee has a Platy, both bikes handle the >>>>>>>>>>>> type of riding you describe with ease. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> The Susie is more confidence inspiring off road and demands a >>>>>>>>>>>> larger tire to take full advantage of its potential. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> The Platy has a more sophisticated look and handles on road >>>>>>>>>>>> riding in a way that leaves you wanting for nothing. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I didn't love the way a large load felt on the front of the >>>>>>>>>>>> Susie, where as the Plat handles similar loads with ease. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> All said I'll be getting another Susie this round, one size up >>>>>>>>>>>> from my previous size L. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I'll also be keeping a close eye on the next bath of Platy's as >>>>>>>>>>>> well, I feel there is enough difference between the two to justify >>>>>>>>>>>> owning >>>>>>>>>>>> both, tho I'm trying to keep it down to just one bike at a time. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Best of luck with whatever you choose >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Jared in SLO >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, December 5, 2021 at 7:57:40 PM UTC-8 >>>>>>>>>>>> me2g...@gmail.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you Joe. My hunch is that you are right. All Rivendell >>>>>>>>>>>>> bikes are multi-functional with the right components. I pulled >>>>>>>>>>>>> the 2.2 tire >>>>>>>>>>>>> size out of my head so that it would become a non-factor when >>>>>>>>>>>>> making the >>>>>>>>>>>>> comparison. I thought it was the largest Platypus could handle >>>>>>>>>>>>> without >>>>>>>>>>>>> fenders. Still curious to hear about ride quality from real world >>>>>>>>>>>>> experience. Anyone riding a Susie for an afternoon over pavement? >>>>>>>>>>>>> Or >>>>>>>>>>>>> picking their Platypus for off-road trails? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, December 5, 2021 at 10:38:02 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Laura, welcome! >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tire size may be the decider for you since you mentioned 2.2. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The max listed for Platy is 50mm, which works out to about 1.95 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> inches. The >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Susie goes to 2.8 so is definitely the way to go if you wants >>>>>>>>>>>>>> lots of air >>>>>>>>>>>>>> between trail and rim. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> As for the question of which is a better all-rounder, the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> answer is both! Just about every Riv ever made - and certainly >>>>>>>>>>>>>> most of the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> current models - will happily do all the riding you've >>>>>>>>>>>>>> described, so I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> think you'll need to weigh other factors: tire size, color, lugs >>>>>>>>>>>>>> or fillet >>>>>>>>>>>>>> joints, higher toptube or lower (I'm into lower), and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> availability. Heck, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> you can choose based on the name you like best! 🙂 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Joe Bernard >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, December 5, 2021 at 7:21:57 PM UTC-8 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> me2g...@gmail.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you for the Platy feedback… Do I want to wait 6 to 9 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> months more for a bike? No! But, I will be building up a frame >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and parts >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are back-ordered as well, so buying a frame now will still >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> involve waiting >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to get all of the components. Although, I am trying to make my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mind up fast >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> incase I decide on a Susie. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I love the build of both bikes. I am not sure I want a tig >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> welded version. Nothing wrong with tig welded bikes, but I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> already have one >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the vintage MTB category. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My theoretical question is: if components and tires are the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> same, how do the two bikes ride on pavement and easy trails? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is one of the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bikes a better all-rounder??? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, December 5, 2021 at 9:07:15 PM UTC-5 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bjmi...@gmail.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Am I making this up, or is there going to be a Platypus >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> style frame that will be tig welded and a little stouter >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tubing coming as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> well? Would that possibly be something that would fit the bill >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for Laura? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ben, who could be imagining things, in Omaha >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 5, 2021, at 8:01 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Laura! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have a Platypus and am a big fan of it. I have not ridden >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a Susie, but I do have a Clem (which is in the same Hillibike >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> category as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Susie). I won’t speak to trail riding because I don’t do a lot >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of it, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my bikes are set up differently. But I see Blue Lug videos >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> showing guys >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> riding Platys all over the darn countryside, so it’s probably >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doable. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My point would be this: How soon are you looking to get a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bike? Because there is a shipment of incoming Susies heading >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to Rivendell >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> soon, like this month, but there will be no Platypuses until >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> middle to late >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2022. (Rivendell says May 2022, but their bikes always seem a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> couple/few >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> months delayed. Last year they said Platys would come October, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> November, and so on and so forth. They actually came in April >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or May of the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> next year.) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, if you want a bike soon, get a Susie. If you want to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wait, Platys will arrive later in 2022. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> L >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, December 5, 2021 at 5:08:15 PM UTC-8 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> me2g...@gmail.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello, I am new to this group and still trying to decide >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which Rivendell bike will be my first. I am torn between the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Platypus and a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Susie Longbolts. I hope that there are people here that have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ridden both, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or have turned one of them into their all-around, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> multi-terrain bike. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ideally, I would LOVE to have both, but that will take a few >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> years to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> achieve! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As a note, all-terrain is pavement, gravel, fire roads, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hard-packed sand. Not aggressive single track or severe >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> off-road. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rivendell promotes the Platypus mainly for pavement and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the Susie for trails. In theory, if both were equipped with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the same 2.2” >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all-terrain tire, which one would make the best multi-use >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bike? 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