I used the Tektro RL520 <https://www.tektro.com/products.php?p=71> when I 
had drop bars on there. I have no complaints about the braking or lever 
feel or anything like that. I was always curious about the Dia-Compe 287 
because it seems to be the list's consensus on best v-brake drop bar lever, 
but never took the plunge.

Erik, Philly

On Tuesday, November 23, 2021 at 9:00:13 PM UTC-5 maxcr wrote:

>
> Hey Erick,
> What brake levers do you use to run motolites on a dropbar?
> Thanks
> Max
> On Sunday, October 3, 2021 at 11:30:51 AM UTC-4 Erik Wright wrote:
>
>> I have a 2014-ish sidepull Sam Hillborne that I picked up off this list 
>> in spring 2018. The bike came to me with Paul Racers and I rode tires as 
>> big as 700x44. After seeing Ultraromance's 650b conversion on his Sam H, I 
>> thought I'd give that configuration a go (because there's just something 
>> about fat knobby tires on a road bike that get's me goin').
>>
>> In early 2019 I had a local framebuilder add canti posts at 650b 
>> placement for about $150. Nervous about committing to 650b on this bike 
>> because of the reasons Bill and others mention (bb drop, pedal strike, 
>> etc), I purchased Paul Motolites so I could swap between 700c and 650b 
>> if/when needed. I managed to squeeze in 27.5x2.1" Schwalbe Thunderburts 
>> with *very* little clearance, but went on a few bikepacking trips with 
>> this setup. I've since added a Crust Evasion to my lineup (which also has 
>> two wheelsets, *facepalm*) and have made my Sam H a dedicated 700c bike... 
>> for now.
>>
>> I remember Blahgs from 1-2 years back where Roman @ Riv did the same 
>> thing with his Sam H. One Blahg showed him dimpling his chainstays so he 
>> could more easily squeeze a 2.1" tire in there. To this day I'm still 
>> waiting for a feature of that bike on a Blahg or a newsletter, but it looks 
>> like that day may never come.
>>
>> Regarding pedal strike- yeah, there was some, but I have a pretty high 
>> tolerance for it so didn't really notice a huge difference. The trails 
>> around here are pretty rocky and rooty so if I'm riding my SamH on trails, 
>> there's going to be pedal strike no matter what I do. The other thing 
>> people often ask is about mechanical advantage with the Motolites. I mean, 
>> sure, there's probably better stopping power with 650b wheels/pad 
>> placement, but my bike stops just fine with the pads adjusted for 700c.
>>
>> Overall the 650b conversion was a fun project and adds to my ability to 
>> tinker with that bike- BUT, not night & day to the point where I'd 
>> wholeheartedly recommend.
>>
>> Erik, Philly
>> On Sunday, October 3, 2021 at 10:52:13 AM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> Generally speaking, switching from 700c to 650B on any 
>>> cantilever-equipped bike is considered a very bad idea, with two exceptions:
>>> 1. you have a poorly placed set of canti-posts so that they manage to 
>>> work OK
>>> 2. you have a frame builder remove and attach your canti posts in the 
>>> right place for 650B
>>>
>>> If your canti posts are in the right place for 700c, you need to run 
>>> your brake pads a full 19mm lower to hit 650B rims.  That's practically 
>>> even with the pivot itself and the leverage just doesn't work well at all
>>>
>>> Generally speaking, switch from 700c to 650B on any 700c bike with large 
>>> BB drop is considered a risky maneuver, with two exceptions:
>>> 1. you don't mind a really low BB and pedal strike doesn't concern you
>>> 2. you are going to MUCH wider 650B tires, so that the resulting BB 
>>> height may be close
>>>
>>> On disc-brake bikes, swapping from 700xTHIC to 650xTHICCC is pretty 
>>> common.  I've got a few bikes in my stable that are intended for that kind 
>>> of flexibility.  My cantilever-Sam is not one of those bikes.  700x38 + 
>>> fenders and it's perfect.  For beefier tires, I grab one of my machines 
>>> that has beefier tires  
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Saturday, October 2, 2021 at 10:08:08 AM UTC-7 [email protected] 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi all, I have a Sam Hillborne without canti posts. I was considering 
>>>> trying 650b hoops to get some even beefier tires on the bike. Has anyone 
>>>> seen it done? Pics?
>>>
>>>

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