Meandering off of this particular juxtaposition of thoughts: the frameset
was 1970s and French and light: I also have a Libertas frameset, tout 531
and Belgian and light; and I wonder if French-standard road-bike 531 tubing
back in the early '70s was particularly light, because I've had other 531
frames that didn't feel as light, at least when hefting them -- I never
went scientific and weighed them, except for the Libertas which, *at 60 c-c
X 56 c-c, with steel Campy headset!* weighs 5.9 lb on a digital scale. The
58 X 56.5 c-c 2003 Riv weighed (frame, fork, Ultegra cartridge headset): *7
lb!*

Back to Clems, light, heavy, or in-between.

On Tue, Nov 9, 2021 at 7:38 PM Patrick Moore <[email protected]> wrote:

> ... 1973 racing frameset of really light standard gauge 531 -- I recall
> hefting it upon receipt, and being disappointed that it was so much lighter
> than my 2003 Riv frameset -- I wanted the nicer bike to be lighter.
>

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