Oh yeah! I agree. I bought one of those calipers and it was a game-changer. 
We should have another thread - show off your tool boxes and mechanic 
setups.
On Wednesday, August 18, 2021 at 10:09:10 AM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Anybody who cares about bikes enough to work on them should have an 
> inexpensive vernier caliper.  They are <$10 at any hardware store.  Anybody 
> who cares enough about working on stuff around the house should have an 
> inexpensive vernier caliper.  Anybody who cares about the objective 
> diameter of cylindrical objects should have one.  My workbench tends 
> towards chaotic, so I bought two of the identical cheapo model.  They both 
> live on the same hook on my toolboard, so if I set one down without putting 
> it away, I still can get the other one to do the measurement I need.  There 
> are only a few tools that are important enough to double up on my 
> toolboard, and that's one of them.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Wednesday, August 18, 2021 at 6:07:25 AM UTC-7 maxcr wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the insight Bill! I don't own a caliper so until I make my way 
>> to the LBS, we won't be sure...
>>
>> Dave, the standover height is approx. 34"
>>
>> Max
>> On Tuesday, August 17, 2021 at 5:28:13 PM UTC-4 lconley wrote:
>>
>>> That may also explain the fillet brazed bottom bracket on the Frank 
>>> Jones Sr.
>>>
>>> The Hubbuhubbuhs also used tubes that change section from round to oval, 
>>> as did the Rosco Babys.
>>>
>>> Laing
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, August 17, 2021 at 5:04:47 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
>>>> Max asked something about bulged tube ends on historical Rivendells.  
>>>> I'm not sure about the precise question.  What I do know is that Grant 
>>>> told 
>>>> me that they have employed a number of 'baseball bat' frame tubes on 
>>>> various things.  Seat tube that bulge from 28.6 up to 31.8 at the BB is 
>>>> one 
>>>> example.  The reason I brought it up with Grant was when they offered the 
>>>> Frank Jones Senor with a 28.6mm downtube.  That was the only Rivendell I 
>>>> had ever heard of with a non-OS Downtube, and I knew Rivendell has their 
>>>> own lugs cast, so it was kind of shocking to me that Rivendell would go 
>>>> out 
>>>> of their way to offer a bike with a standard diameter downtube, when 
>>>> they'd 
>>>> been defending 31.8 against the planing zealots for years.  Grant 
>>>> explained 
>>>> to me that the lower head lug they were using in the Frank Jones Senor was 
>>>> from a pile of lower headlugs that they would use on SMALL customs.  They 
>>>> would use a baseball bat tube shaped downtube that was 28.6 up at the 
>>>> headlug and 31.8 down at the BB.  
>>>>
>>>> So, there is a history of Rivendell using tubes that are different 
>>>> sizes on either end.  That doesn't guarantee anything about yours.  Take 
>>>> your vernier caliper to the tube in question and check, I guess. 
>>>>
>>>> Bill Lindsay
>>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, August 17, 2021 at 1:13:13 PM UTC-7 maxcr wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I got an interesting note from a fellow member: 
>>>>>
>>>>> "The photo looks like the junction of the head tube and down tube. 
>>>>> You can check with Rivendell - it looks like the tube was bulged to 
>>>>> fit the lug. On a tall frame like that they might have had to get 
>>>>> creative 
>>>>> with lugs and tubes."
>>>>>
>>>>> Does anyone know if Riv did something like that back then to fit the 
>>>>> lugs with large-ish / weird geometries?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Max
>>>>> On Saturday, August 14, 2021 at 5:57:29 PM UTC-4 maxcr wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Per my other thread, I've decided to downsize from 4 to 2 (or maybe 
>>>>>> 1) bikes so here it goes. I hope I don't regret letting this one go, but 
>>>>>> I 
>>>>>> have to start somewhere and this one isn't getting the miles it deserves.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Price is $2,100 + packing & shipping (or local pickup in MA)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2001 Joe Starck / Joe Bell - Custom Road serial# 01JS114 - I'm the 
>>>>>> second owner.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is the first bike that I spec'd from the frame up and worked 
>>>>>> with James at Analog Cycles to complete the build. Please note that when 
>>>>>> I 
>>>>>> bought the frame it had a small bulge in the top tube (see photo), James 
>>>>>> looked at it and determined that it was safe to ride. It also has a few 
>>>>>> scratches and a few touch up spots here and there but it's in overall 
>>>>>> great 
>>>>>> condition.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It rides great, very responsive and nimble... this bike is very 
>>>>>> light. I probably put in less than 100 miles since I built it up (I 
>>>>>> spent 8 
>>>>>> months away from Boston in 2020/2021)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm 5'11" with a 91 pbh (I have long legs) and my saddle height is 
>>>>>> 80.5cm
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here are the details:
>>>>>> 62cm c-t, 59cm top tube, 130 rear spacing
>>>>>> Frame prep by Analog including frame saver
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wheels came used from James at Analog - I don’t have the details, but 
>>>>>> I remember him saying something about ceramic? Anyways, the tires are 
>>>>>> green 
>>>>>> Jack Brown 33.333 from Riv
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Drivetrain: White Industries 180mm cranks, 46/30
>>>>>> Cassette: 11-32 XT M760 cassette
>>>>>> IRD Bottom Bracket
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 9s FSA "Team Issue" chain
>>>>>> Terry Fly Tri Gel Saddle & Nitto seat post included
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chris King Headset
>>>>>> Nitto Noodle 46 cm bars
>>>>>> Dura Ace Shifters - Bar End - Shimano Dura Ace, 9 Speed
>>>>>> Paul Racer M Centerpull (this is my best braking bike by far)
>>>>>> Brake Levers - Road - TRP - RRL SR, Drilled, Gum Hood
>>>>>> VO Sabot  Pedals included
>>>>>> Bottle Cage (Nitto I think?) included
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Packing & Shipping will probably run about $150 and given how backed 
>>>>>> up the local LBS are, it might take a few weeks, so please keep that in 
>>>>>> mind.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please let me know if you have questions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Max
>>>>>> downsizing and doubting the downsizing
>>>>>> [image: IMG_1661 (1).jpeg]
>>>>>> [image: IMG_2680.jpeg]
>>>>>> [image: IMG_1663.jpeg]
>>>>>> [image: IMG_1662.jpeg]
>>>>>> [image: IMG_2683.jpeg]
>>>>>> [image: IMG_2674.jpeg]
>>>>>>
>>>>>

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