Has anyone else found differences in Q and chainline among the 50.4 cranksets? 
I swapped in a Sugino PX with shorter crank arms in for a V-O, and found less 
clearance to the chainstays on both sides- at least 2mm per side. 

I prefer the look of the rare Sugino, and sorted front derailleur issues 
required by the swap. A bit fussy to set up with 46-30 and similar chainring 
doubles, as no front ders were made for it. 

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Harry P Travis
Portland, OR USA
14.6

On Jun 7, 2021, at 10:38 AM, 'Will Horton' via RBW Owners Bunch 
<rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

Thanks everyone for all the feedback. Really hard decision overall. I ended up 
ordering the SUNXCD cranks in 172.5 and 46/30 from veloduo. I really wanted 
44/30 or 44/28 but that range was out of stock. I almost went for the 
cloverleaf chainring version as they had the gear range I wanted but I really 
prefer the 6 arm style I think.

On Monday, June 7, 2021 at 8:20:56 AM UTC-7 Jim Bronson wrote:
> Yes,  I'm currently running chainrings without ramps and pins with a 10 speed 
> cassette and indexed shifting in the back.   No issues, or at least, nothing 
> that's an issue for me. 
> 
> I don't have the 50.4BCD setup (and would not be interested in acquiring it 
> as my body requires high Q) as per the topic of this thread,  but just as a 
> side response to the reply of,  "you can't use regular chainrings with more 
> than 8 speed.  I have an older a 135BCD Shimano triple that I use with a 
> bashguard in place of the big ring.  It was shiny silver at one point but 
> after years of hard use,  decidedly less so.   But anyway...
> 
> It doesn't shift as snappy up front as an indexed setup with brifters and 
> ramps and pins and all that, but I don't really care.  I'm using bar ends as 
> a proper drop bar equipped Rivendell should.   And I'm not in that much of a 
> hurry.
> 
> Using 44/28 in front and 11-32 in the back,  I find that the need to drop 
> down to the lower range up front is fairly infrequent anyway.  Usually only 
> used on brevets where the ride organizer sends the route up some nutty 15-20% 
> grade to test our mettle, I guess. 
> 
> On Sat, Jun 5, 2021, 07:06 Bill Schairer <comm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I've been running 3x9 with a TA crank and a Stronglight for years without 
>> any issues.  I also ran 3x10 for a while.  Currently have 47/44/26 TA and 
>> 50/45/26 Stronglight (with TA rings) and they both shift quite well with no 
>> ramps and pins.  What are those for?  I think the Stronglight arms had  a 
>> better finish than the TA's but I think they are harder to come by.
>> 
>> One and only one supplier and no odd tooth count rings are my biggest issues 
>> with Rene Herse.  I could probably get over the single supplier and cost if 
>> they offered odd tooth count.
>> 
>> Bill S
>> San Diego
>> 
>> On Friday, June 4, 2021 at 8:43:16 PM UTC-7 divis...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> Forgot those links:
>>> 
>>> https://specialites-ta.com/pro-5-vis/196-693-pro-5-vis-plateau-specialites-ta-pro-5-vis-exterieur-80mm-8v-specialites-ta-pl50080302.html#/21,denture,40-dts
>>> 
>>> https://specialites-ta.com/pro-5-vis/197-707-pro-5-vis-plateau-specialites-ta-pro-5-vis-interieur-intermediaire-80mm-8v-specialites-ta-pl50080102.html#/9,denture,26-dts
>>> 
>>> I believe Velo Classique in Virginia is the US distributor for Specialites 
>>> TA. Obviously, there are also UK/European retailers that ship to the US.
>>> 
>>> The one key drawback to 5-pin TA chainrings is that the rings aren't 
>>> ramped/pinned; you're effectively capped at an 8-speed rear. But really, do 
>>> you need more than 3x8 gears?
>>> 
>>> Peter Adler
>>> specializing in beating dead horses in
>>> Berkeley, CA/USA
>>> 
>>> On Friday, June 4, 2021 at 8:34:48 PM UTC-7 Peter Adler wrote:
>>>> Large selection of chainring sizes? C'est très humoristique!
>>>> 
>>>> Specialites TA (still in business; still producing 50.4mm cyclotouriste 
>>>> chainrings in France, now in 7075 aluminum) make outers (attaches to 
>>>> crankarm) in all even increments from 40-52T, and inners (attaches to 
>>>> outers) from 26-42T.
>> 
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