Regarding Rene Herse bb spindle length, on mine a 111mm bb spindle length 
results in a 119mm clear space between the arms, though this could vary a 
bit on different bb's and RH cranks due to machining tolerances.  To 
determine at a bb spindle length for an RH crank you could subtract 8mm 
from your chainstay spread (at crankarm distance) and then add back a 
healthy margin for square taper interface differences, crankarm clearance, 
and chainline adjustment.  On my bike (not a Hilsen), the chainrings aren't 
a problem, as the crankarms would contact the chainstay well before the 
42-24 rings.

One problem I did have when going to a short spindle is learning that some 
front derailleurs won't swing far enough inward to drop the chain onto the 
inner ring.  A later-model Shimano 105 wouldn't work until I filed off the 
inner adjustment limit stop.  An older Campy Chorus works fine unmodified.

Jack - Seattle

On Tuesday, May 4, 2021 at 4:11:10 PM UTC-7 KenP wrote:

> Hi Doug,
>     My Appaloosa needed a much longer bottom bracket.
>     RH shipped me a 121 & LBS had me return the BB because it needed to be 
> even longer.  The RH crank has a different feel because of the Q factor.  
> It puts the legs closer together.  It weighs about the same.  Advantages 
> that you customize it with the rings you want, a longer/shorter crank arm, 
> finish color, etc.  The rings have a different bolt pattern than the XD2. I 
> switched front derailleur  and  I switched to a RH crank from XD2 and am 
> satisfied.  I had been having trouble with the XD2 having the chain drop 
> between the rings.  Riv's own new crank might be nice as well if they have 
> them available.
> Ken
> On Sunday, May 2, 2021 at 3:53:47 PM UTC-4 Doug Williams wrote:
>
>> I have a 58cm 650b A. Homer Hilsen that I purchased from Riv in 2014. I 
>> have been loving it ever since! It has the Sugino Triple Crank 46-36-24 and 
>> I run it all friction shifting with bar end silvers, 8 speed with a 11-32 
>> cassette. The front derailer is Shimano Claris Triple. The bottom bracket 
>> is  bbc110.
>>
>> So...I'm getting older and I notice I don't use the 46 ring much, at 
>> least not with the higher gears in the back. I am definitely an "UnRacer" 
>> anyway. I am thinking of getting the Rene Herse double cranks with 42-26 
>> rings. If I go with the 8 speed megarange 11-34 cassette in the back, I 
>> would give up almost nothing in the lower gears and lose just some high 
>> gears that I rarely use anyway. So two questions:
>>
>> 1. Is my bottom bracket compatible with the Rene Herse cranks? I think 
>> so, but I'm not sure. Would now be a good time to replace it anyway?
>>
>> 2. Should I just keep my Claris triple FD and crank in the limit screw or 
>> go with something like the Shimano CX70 or some other double FD that works 
>> well with compact 42-26 rings?
>>
>> Any other comments or suggestions would be welcome.
>>
>> Doug
>>
>

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