Joe,
I just measured the Sugino AT on a 127mm spindle. I get 153mm without 
cinching the bolts down. This is just a hand press fit with a gentle tap to 
make sure they are on straight. 
Since you want a wide range double, I’m assuming you plan on using the 
inner ring. 
By eliminating the inner ring and running a compact double that would allow 
running a narrower Q

I don’t think most modern cranks will improve on that for you. 

Hope that helps 

Ray

On Sunday, April 25, 2021 at 4:18:43 PM UTC-7 Joe M. wrote:

> Ok thanks for everyone's input this is helpful. I'll look into making 
> these work. 
>
> But if anyone does have a wide range double they'd part with, I'd still be 
> interested in possibly purchasing it.
>
> On Sunday, April 25, 2021 at 4:09:55 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Bob; It all comes down to arm flare. I got 160 mm Q with a Sugino XD2 and 
>> 113 mm spindle; I got a 160 mm Q with a TA Pro 5 Vis and a custom 145 mm 
>> spindle.
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 25, 2021 at 5:02 PM Bob Lovejoy <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> I am not expert enough to explain where the differences come from, but 
>>> different cranks use different bb spindle lengths to get the same 
>>> configuration.  The Sugino AT's just happen to use a relatively long 
>>> spindle but once installed they clear the chainstays exactly as they 
>>> should.  That said, being a triple, the Q factor is going to be more than a 
>>> double.
>>
>>

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