This is exactly what I do. However, I know about trimming derailleurs and so 
even when I nudge the front derailleur I cannot stop the chatter. So, what can 
that mean? But it does go away in other gears. I’m stuck with chatter in the 
HARD-HARD. (Leahspeak for whatever those gears are called. I have no idea which 
one is “high” and which one is “low.” I know hard and easy.

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> On Apr 24, 2021, at 5:39 PM, Joe Bernard <joerem...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I contend that only doing it in the big/small rings means the fd isn't 
> traveling far enough to clear the chain on that combo. On a 2-speed setup 
> like this it's common for the rider to use the friction shifter like index: 
> all the one way for the small ring, all the way the other for big. I think 
> she's shifting all the way and the derailer is stopping a smidge short. 
> Smartbrain 💡
> 
> 
>> On Saturday, April 24, 2021 at 5:11:53 PM UTC-7 Garth wrote:
>> The sound from the video is like a rhythmic ratcheting/creaking sound as 
>> Leah pedals, it's not a FD rubbing sound as that has a smooth surface and is 
>> higher pitched smooth metallic sound. I'm listening to it loud and with 
>> headphones, eyes closed. 
>> 
>> The obvious question is does the sound remain when not pedaling ? What does 
>> what when you do what ? What doesn't ? 
>> 
>> If I was a mechanic worth a penny I'd either ride with you to hear it, or 
>> ride the bike myself, or have you ride around inside the store and run along 
>> side. Just dropping it off and expecting them to experience what you're 
>> experiencing in real time as you ride is rarely fruitful, as no two people 
>> hear the same thing the same way, so it can become sort of a word game of 
>> "it sounds like ..... ". 
>> 
>> Anyways .... "stuff going wrong" is like a cosmic slight-of-mind  joke we 
>> play on ourselves . What for , one may wonder ? 
>> Because we can. I ask for the sake of the ask, wonder for the sake of the 
>> wonder ...... it's Life for Life's sake ..... and there isn't anything else. 
>> 
>>> On Saturday, April 24, 2021 at 7:27:48 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>> Front derailers are the bane of my existence. I love the look of the nice 
>>> Campagnolo on my custom, but I'm super-OCD-fastidious about chain rub and 
>>> constantly adjusting the shifter to avoid it. My Susie doesn't HAVE a front 
>>> derailer, all I have to do is shift the back. No chain grinding, no OCD, 
>>> I'm free! 🕺🕺🕺
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Saturday, April 24, 2021 at 4:11:48 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> Joe, I bet you’re right about that! It is constant and always in the 
>>>> Hard-Hard gear, which is what I nearly always ride. I shall save these 
>>>> words and tell them to the shop when I get my bike back, do a test ride in 
>>>> the lot and invariably it makes the SAME noise. 
>>>> 
>>>> Ben, it seems that way to me, too. The wiring is probably the weakest 
>>>> link. I wish I knew some real-life Riv folks who would let me bike right 
>>>> on over and put my bike in their stand for diagnosis! Someday, I hope...
>>>> 
>>>> Leah
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>> 
>>>>>> On Apr 24, 2021, at 4:00 PM, Joe Bernard <joer...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>> The rhythmic noise sounds like the chain barely grazing the front 
>>>>> derailer, like what would happen if the chainring is ever so slightly out 
>>>>> of round. In this scenario you could think you have the cage centered 
>>>>> over the chain, then not notice the chain wobbling over to graze the cage 
>>>>> while pedaling. This issue can be exacerbated by using a 9-speed (wider) 
>>>>> chain with a 10-speed (narrower) derailer, which I suspect is the case on 
>>>>> your bike. 
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> The other sound? No idea! 🤷
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Saturday, April 24, 2021 at 3:14:36 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>>>>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>>>>> Oh, it’s not your fault, Ben. I am overly attached to this bike and 
>>>>>>> I’ve made myself a wreck over it. 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> As far as the noise, there is more than one. But there is one noise 
>>>>>>> that sounds kind of like electrical current, and it never came at a 
>>>>>>> predicable time - like with pedaling. It would cause a little vibratory 
>>>>>>> feeling and was loud enough that I could pick it up using my iPhone to 
>>>>>>> video. Last night it was nearly constant and seemed to coincide with 
>>>>>>> the turning of the pedals. I caught it on video, which I will attach 
>>>>>>> here. There are actually two sounds being made, I think one is 
>>>>>>> drivetrain chatter that I’m hoping the shop sets straight for me this 
>>>>>>> week. You have to tune your ear to it but if you listen you’ll hear two 
>>>>>>> atypical sounds - sort out the wind noise and listen for a rhythmic 
>>>>>>> sound and a constant chatter. They’re there.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> The sound when the wheel is spun with the bike stationary is slight, 
>>>>>>> but annoying. I don’t have that on video and the bike is now in custody 
>>>>>>> of the shop. But if Shutter Precision managed to make it quiet, why 
>>>>>>> can’t Schmidt do the same? And the flickering. That occurs at speeds 
>>>>>>> that I think are fast enough to generate a solid light. At the same 
>>>>>>> speed a SP will hold a steady beam. I know SON is the reigning champion 
>>>>>>> for dyno, but why? 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Here are the videos. The first is a better specimen, I think:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
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