I have an XO-3 that I had a shop install a Bafang BBS02 system on several
years back. It uses a Revelate 1/2 frame bag to hold the battery just under
the top tube, while still allowing me to run a small water bottle in the
seat tube cage. The system has plenty of power for me, and has given me a
range of almost 40 miles, although I've only run out of battery once.

This is a "mid-drive" system that replaces the crankset and bottom bracket,
with the motor sitting just ahead of the bottom bracket. I'd recommend
doing a bit of research on mid-drives vs hub motors, the option that will
work best for you may depend on the kind terrain you intend to ride on.
I've read that hub motors aren't as well suited to long, steep hills as
mid-drives.

I went with a shop install because I wanted to have someone to repair it if
needed, but if doing it again, I'd probably do it myself and save a lot of
money. Bafang kits are available for much less than I paid, most with a
battery that mounts to the down tube cage mounts. I might recommend the
BBSHD, as it is a bit more robust than my BBS02, and doesn't have the
problem with the driveshaft bearing that I ended up repairing myself.

I will say that my kit is not as "natural" feeling as other ebikes I've
tried, because it only has a cadence sensor, no torque sensor. This can
result in the motor engaging in a bit of a jerky manner at times.
Nonetheless, for retro-fitting an existing bike, I think a mid-drive is a
great way to go. Another benefit of my kit is that it includes a throttle.
I don't use it often, but it's great to be able to get a burst of speed
when trying to get into a left turn lane on a higher-speed street.

On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 9:55 PM Sky Coulter <incommontr...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Nice bike!  I’d love the new gsd r14 for me if i was upgrading. I bought
> my wife a riese and muller load 75 to take our youngest to preschool after
> getting my ebike off craigslist. She loves it and uses it mosy days...sky
>
> On Jan 13, 2021, at 9:12 PM, rltil...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> I went with an option that was definitely not the most cost effective but
> it is one I would do again now that I’ve been using it for over a year. I
> went with a Tern GSD S00 e-cargo bike.
>
> The bike takes up about the same amount of room as a normal bike but can
> carry 400 lbs. It also adjusts to fit nearly any rider so my 5’ 2” wife can
> ride it by quickly adjusting the saddle and bars. I ike the included
> panniers but do miss the larger size of my old Xtracycle bags sometimes. I
> added a front rack to add some cargo carrying capacity.
>
> The Bosch system feels just like a normal bike due to the torque sensor.
> It just feels like I have Lance’s legs instead of my own. The interesting
> thing for me is that my average heart rate is the same on the e-bike as it
> is on my other bikes. I just get more speed out of it.
>
> https://roberttilley.smugmug.com/Bicycles/Tern-GDS-S00-2019/i-XWgxBkQ/A
>
> I added an extra battery to mine and can get a bit over 60 miles using the
> highest assist level.   At the lowest assist it would be well over 100
> miles. One battery would do about half that I believe. I rarely use my car
> for errands these days. It only gets fired up for fun stuff.
>
> Robert Tilley
> San Diego, CA
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 13, 2021, at 5:33 PM, Patrick Moore <bertin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> 
> I was sorry to hear that the CW is no longer being made. Tho' my contact
> was solely press releases and enthusiast product reviews, it did seem, to
> me, to be a very neat and imaginative packaging of a very useful technology.
>
> And this leads me to a question that I've been mulling over for a few
> years now. Question 1: If you want and electric bicycle, for loaded errand
> riding with ~30 mile out-and-back range, what is the most cost effective
> way to do this?
>
> I've thought that, if I ever upgrade to a lighter and better quality ss
> mountain bike, that the Monocog 29er would make a dandy electric conversion
> platform. So, Question 2: if one were to choose modification instead of
> purchase, what is the most long-term cost effective way to make such a
> conversion?
>
> Or should I just look up plan to motorize a bicycle using a chainsaw motor?
>
> Patrick Moore, who is kidding about the chainsaw, but who really did once
> see, parked outside a bike shop, a Whizzer in *tout* motor cycle gang
> black with ape hanger bars and big wing mirrors. I saw the owner inside. He
> was wearing a black leather jacket and boots. Not kidding this time!
>
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>
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