Patrick, forget the Papyrus, the brim is weak and floppy, like all their 
hats, wind or no wind. I tried that hat, own a few others, and returned 
many. OR is always about saving weight, saving it for what ? How can you 
save something that is at best, relative ? Oh but I digress.

I suspect the Tilley or Filson will hold their shape better, me having no 
first hand experience with them. 

On Wednesday, December 9, 2020 at 9:55:30 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Thanks. This looks likely: 
> https://www.tilley.com/us_en/ltm8-airflo-mesh-hat.html
>
> But tell me, why is it worth 3X the price of this one? 
> https://www.outdoorresearch.com/us/papyrus-brim-sun-hat-243408?cat=124,24,6,402
>
> As I said at the beginning, I'll happily pay $100 for a hat if I get value 
> for the $$, but I need to be convinced that a $90 or $100 hat is worth 2 or 
> 3 times the price of the $36 the OR hat. 
>
> What do the more expensive ones offer that the cheaper ones don't?
>
> As Lord Peter Wimsey so sagely and sententiously observed so long ago, "It 
> is not the brand that guarantees the quality, but the quality that 
> guarantees the brand."
>
> Patrick '7 3/4"' Moore
>
> On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 7:37 PM Berkeleyan <asht...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> For me, it's a *Tillley*. I have two, one in a greenish tint, the other 
>> Johnny Cash black. The green goes camping, backpacking, and bicycle 
>> touring, the black is for Zoom calls and walking to restaurants before 
>> covid times. They are superb in all aspects of construction, give very good 
>> shade, are reasonably rain-resistant, have a secret pocket for C-notes, and 
>> best of all, come in real hat sizes. I have a size 8 head, this is 
>> important.
>>
>> - Andrew, Berkeley
>>
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