Bill, great bike! Tandem Riv with discs makes sense. On Wednesday, December 9, 2020 at 8:24:27 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
> Mike in SLO asked if my stoker rear brake is full hydro. > > It is a full hydro Shimano model. I don't think Shimano makes a > cable/hydro hybrid brake. I don't know if Shimano makes a cable actuated > disc either. > > Bill Lindsay > El Cerrito, CA > > On Wednesday, December 9, 2020 at 8:12:46 PM UTC-8 Mike Godwin wrote: > >> Bill >> >> Is the disc brake cable actuated hydraulic piston/brake or is it full >> hydraulic? >> >> Mike SLO CA >> >> On Wednesday, December 9, 2020 at 12:11:15 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote: >> >>> Patrick Cronin went on to ask: " Do you prefer to have the stoker >>> feather the rear disc brake rather than have the Captain feather using the >>> V-brakes? How do you handle this with communication/commands? " >>> >>> There is no protocol in place yet, because I haven't ridden the bike in >>> this configuration with a stoker. I just put the disc brake on last >>> night. I have 5 stokers in mind: >>> >>> Stoker #1 is nervous about cycling in general and likes control. Having >>> a brake present will calm their nervousness >>> Stoker #2 is nervous about cycling and does not like to go too fast. >>> Having a brake will enable them to control speed without nagging the >>> captain to slow down >>> Stoker #3 is pretty calm and trusting, and follows instructions >>> extremely well. They are also my heaviest stoker and the one about whom >>> I'm most concerned regarding sufficient braking power on a steep descent >>> Stoker #4 is trusting and follows instructions like #3 but is far >>> lighter. They are also my most likely camping partner, so we may have a >>> heavy S24O load >>> Stoker #5 is an expert mountain bike racer. They have an excellent >>> instinct for scrubbing speed and following the briefest of instructions >>> >>> It sounds like you have a system in place that works for you, which is >>> very good. >>> >>> Bill Lindsay >>> El Cerrito, CA >>> >>> On Wednesday, December 9, 2020 at 7:55:11 AM UTC-8 Patrick Cronin wrote: >>> >>>> Bill, >>>> >>>> I'd be curious to hear your thoughts on how that hydraulic >>>> lever/caliper works as a tandem brake compared to a drag brake set up. My >>>> HHH has a Paul Klamper linked to a DuraAce bar-end shifter on the stoker's >>>> bosco end. The captain's controls are XTR V-brakes like yours. My stokers >>>> are used to actuating an Arai drum brake with a friction shifter, so my >>>> thinking was that setting up the HHH with a drag function, rather than >>>> with >>>> a traditional lever, would be most similar. In practice, that has held >>>> only >>>> somewhat true because the efficiency of the Klamper is exponentially >>>> greater than a drum; my 4-year old delights in testing the friction >>>> threshold of the rear tire using the Klamper, a feat the Arai drum brake >>>> could never accomplish even with herculean effort. The Klamper/bar-end >>>> set-up works like a dream on long descents because it can be set and stay >>>> on for minutes, if necessary, just like the old Arai drum. >>>> >>>> Do you prefer to have the stoker feather the rear disc brake rather >>>> than have the Captain feather using the V-brakes? How do you handle this >>>> with communication/commands? Generally, I go with, "brake on", "more", >>>> "good", and "brake off". The stoker brake then is only used for drag >>>> applications, never feathered or for short bursts. Thus, I have no >>>> experience Captaining with a Stoker who has a traditional brake lever. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Patrick >>>> >>>> On Tuesday, December 8, 2020 at 9:49:57 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote: >>>> >>>>> Tonight I finally got around to an upgrade that I'd been planning for >>>>> a long long time. I installed a hydraulic disc brake on the back of my >>>>> Rivendell HubbuHubbuH tandem. I'd been making do with XTR V-brakes, but >>>>> have had a few situations where I definitely wanted a bit more. Now I >>>>> have >>>>> a reliable no-nonsense Shimano M447 hydro disc for the stoker to actuate. >>>>> >>>>> Shimano hydro discs work absurdly well, are dead simple to work on, cost >>>>> practically nothing. It's a win win win. I also installed a stoker >>>>> bell. >>>>> >>>>> One of my favorite stokers is coming back from college for the >>>>> holidays, so the upgrades serve as a welcome back. >>>>> >>>>> Pics prove even big bikes can enjoy their time in the stand: >>>>> >>>>> Hydro brake lever | Flickr >>>>> <https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/50697176221/in/datetaken/> >>>>> >>>>> Cheap Shimano Hydro Drag | A Shimano M447 hydro caliper give… | Flickr >>>>> <https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/50697263172/in/datetaken/> >>>>> >>>>> Stoker Bell | This mini Crane gives the stoker a friendly wa… | Flickr >>>>> <https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/50697176196/in/datetaken/> >>>>> >>>>> Bill Lindsay >>>>> El Cerrito, CA >>>>> >>>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. 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