The original Cliffhanger was not tubeless compatible. It also had a shallow
"V" cross section. The newer Cliffhanger is tubeless compatible and has a
rounded cross section.

On Sat, Dec 5, 2020 at 9:27 AM Justin Kennedy (Brooklyn, NY) <
thesixtht...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Weird, I've always found the Cliffhangers to be some of the easiest rims
> from which to remove/mount tires. Glad you were able to figure it out. My
> Sun CR18's have always been a pain in the ass but often depends what tires
> are going on/off. And they aren't tubeless rims.
>
> On Friday, December 4, 2020 at 1:46:07 PM UTC-5 Braxton Colagross wrote:
>
>> That is indeed the trick for tubeless rims. Push the entire tire to the
>> well and then it isn't so bad to lever them off.
>>
>> On Thursday, December 3, 2020 at 5:47:01 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> You probably are not the last one to figure this out, but you are pretty
>>> far from the first ;-P
>>>
>>> Retro-folks seem cursed to figure out tubeless compatible rims on their
>>> own, one at a time.  Few appear to learn from others' travails.
>>>
>>> Not even podium!
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Thursday, December 3, 2020 at 5:38:42 PM UTC-8 Fullylugged wrote:
>>>
>>>> My local friend with a Clem L asked for some help today.  She was
>>>> having trouble getting the Continental Contact Speed tires off the
>>>> cliffhanger rim wheels of her Clem L. When I took a turn at it, I was
>>>> surprised at how difficult it is to get a lever under the tire bead.
>>>> Looking at he Velocity page, I noticed that they are advertised as close
>>>> fitting and that a thin rim tape must be used.  The wheels shipped from
>>>> Walnut Creek with that rim tape so I kept looking.
>>>>
>>>> I noticed the center of the rim track was depressed from the edges, so
>>>> when I squeezed the tire so that the beads were over the center, all of a
>>>> sudden, there was space for a tire lever to get in and work. They were
>>>> tight to start with but once started, they come off like any other tire.
>>>> I've not ridden Cliffhangers but have noticed that they are mentioned here
>>>> pretty often.
>>>>
>>>> Am  I the last to discover this? :)
>>>>
>>>> Tailwinds
>>>>
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