Not sure. I swiped it off my 90s Santana Vision because I was trying to 
avoid as much black as possible. Black with orange can be slick, but not 
really my palette. I even have a plan for the black hubs. Hard to find this 
style of stoker stem in silver these days, I know. Would have loved one of 
the special ones Riv ordered from Nitto for Hubbuh batch #1. Maybe if 
enough interest, they can tag it on with the new open face stems? Maybe? 
The other issue for some could be rise--with a sprung saddle, shortish 
captain, could be an issue. With a stoker with more rise, you have more 
flexibility in handlebar height setup.

On Tuesday, November 17, 2020 at 9:08:21 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:

> What stoker stem are you using?
>
> Laing
> Delray Beach FL
>
> On Monday, November 16, 2020 at 8:41:45 PM UTC-5 Mark Roland wrote:
>
>>
>> I made a DIY version of the spring thing for my Kuwahara many years ago. 
>> That bike had loooong dropouts. The reason for the spring is so you can 
>> push the wheel forward to remove it. Not necessary on bikes like Susie with 
>> vertical dropouts. 
>>
>> The first thing to do is put the fender in a rough position to get a 
>> sense of how it's going to fit. You will probably need a spacer for the 
>> boss under the seat stay bridge, but maybe not. Make sure the stays are 
>> long enough for where you need to be.  Your tire looks relatively svelte 
>> compared to what the frame can hold, but it does have light knobs, so I 
>> would try to mount the fender as close to the frame as you can.
>>
>> The plastic SKS/Bluemels should be fine as long as they fit over the 
>> tire. One nice aspect of metal fenders is you can re-radius to get more 
>> coverage for really big tires. So if your Gus is 650B, you could buy a wide 
>> 700c  and re-radius for the smaller wheel.
>>
>> The main trick for fender installs is to avoid mounting them under too 
>> much pressure (though plastic are more forgiving in this regard.) Try to 
>> secure each contact point with the fender in its natural position, not 
>> pulled or pushed and kept in place by the hardware.  
>>
>> Final tip: If you haven't done so, chase out your fender bosses. They may 
>> be full of paint, and if you try to force a bolt, you might snap it off. 
>> Ask me how I know. Finding an M5 tapered tap locally might be difficult. I 
>> found a seller in Kentucky who shipped a pair out for $10 within a few 
>> days. Have fun!
>>
>> Here is my latest fender install, last week. I was not really concerned 
>> with a great fender liine, as I consider these woodies to be mostly 
>> decorative, "chop" style, since they don't have the compound curve for full 
>> protection. Also, I will sometimes run this with bigger tires, and I want 
>> them to fit, but I will need to swap in v-brakes with longer arms (these 
>> are the Shimano DXR MX70s Riv sells and is out of stock on, I believe I 
>> measured around 110.), as this is the current sticking point for getting 
>> the fender line all nice and also as far from tire as possible.
>> [image: IMG_20201115_133034930.jpg]
>> [image: IMG_20201115_133154289.jpg]
>> On Monday, November 16, 2020 at 9:49:06 AM UTC-5 greenteadrinkers wrote:
>>
>>> Here's a fairly simple solution for the *dropout* from V/O, which helps 
>>> to create a nice round fender line.
>>> https://velo-orange.com/collections/fender-parts/products/spring-thing
>>> On Monday, November 16, 2020 at 7:11:09 AM UTC-5 Michael Morrissey wrote:
>>>
>>>> Look up spacers in the McMaster-Carr catalog. Measure precisely and 
>>>> order once. 
>>>>
>>>> On Sunday, November 15, 2020 at 4:42:03 PM UTC-5 Ed Carolipio wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Yeah, that looks like a long-bolt-with-spacers install similar to what 
>>>>> one does on the chainstay bridge to maintain the fender line except 
>>>>> you'll 
>>>>> have to drill your own hole. For the spacer, you can use a cork stopper, 
>>>>> a 
>>>>> stack of pista valve nuts, or, if you want to be fancy, get a Planet Bike 
>>>>> fender stay spacer for disc brakes and cut it down to length. If can find 
>>>>> it, a button head bolt would work best as that gives you a couple off mm 
>>>>> of 
>>>>> clearance between the bolt and the tire.
>>>>>
>>>>> Here's the PB site for the hardware kit: 
>>>>> https://www.planetbike.com/cascadia-fender-hardware-kit-65mm/  Nice 
>>>>> thing about PB hardware is the price includes shipping.
>>>>>
>>>>> Good luck,
>>>>> --Ed C.
>>>>> On Saturday, November 14, 2020 at 6:10:16 AM UTC-8 RDS wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I assume a spacer of some size will be involved to get the fender 
>>>>>> down under the brake.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Saturday, November 14, 2020 at 9:08:54 AM UTC-5 RDS wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What is the best way to install the rear fender on the Gus (see 
>>>>>>> pic).  I purchased some SKS Bluemels.  If another type of fender will 
>>>>>>> work 
>>>>>>> better, let me know.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>

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