"My Noodle-to-Albatross conversion ratio is a *6cm longer stem* on the 
latter (ie 5cm stem for the Noodles and a 11cm stem for the Albatross on my 
Sam) "

That's interesting.  I did not change the stem when I first put upright 
bars on my Atlantis.  The hand position took care of the numbness issue.  
The last year or so I've been thinking I needed to be more upright (older 
body, not so flexible anymore).  I have a dirt drop on there now, with the 
bars an inch or so above where they were with the stock stem at max height 
(even with the seat).  Eyeballing it, it looks like the dirt drop also 
pulls the bars at least an inch closer.  A longer stem seems 
counter-intuitive.  The standard was 100 mm.  

I'm beginning to understand how people accumulate a collection of stems & 
bars.  Maybe the goal should be to get your favorite hand position roughly 
the same distance from the steerer, either forward or behind, at the right 
height?  Points to ponder.

dougP

On Saturday, October 3, 2020 at 6:20:09 PM UTC-7, Jason Fuller wrote:
>
> I'm coming around to the idea that drops can be set up to wildly more 
> upright than what common knowledge would have you believe so that you can 
> still get the same assortment of positions but with a more Bosco-like 
> neutral position. To do this you can run something like this stem [
> https://www.crustbikes.com/products/nitto-26-0-bj-stem/] on a modern Riv, 
> and I'd run 48cm Noodles for the nice width and their well proven 
> ergonomics. 
>
> That said, I vastly prefer upright bar brake levers for better power and 
> control - drop bar levers are just at a terrible angle, even modern ergo 
> levers. I've never tried Boscos - my instincts were that they'd be too 
> "land yacht" feeling for me but I'm starting to wonder if they don't make 
> more sense than I give them credit. Albatross are hard to beat though. 
>
> My Noodle-to-Albatross conversion ratio is a 6cm longer stem on the latter 
> (ie 5cm stem for the Noodles and a 11cm stem for the Albatross on my Sam) 

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