Joel,

I’ve not verified this with the Riv folks but the weight difference between the 
two seems like it would be in the tubing. My Homer and Sam have identical 
setups but Homer is two pounds lighter (says a bathroom scale). It also feels a 
touch lighter just lifting it and ditto for the ride.

>From the last Riv catalog:
“Sam is a hair stouter, so we give it more burly points than Homer, but the Sam 
and Homer are 95 percent functional clones. . .”

Also this: “If you want speed on the road with versatility to tour or ride dirt 
now and then, the A. Homer Hilsen is ideal.”

Hope this info helps with your decision. Pics or any other questions feel free 
to ask.

Best,
Rich in ATL

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> On Sep 3, 2020, at 11:17 AM, Dorothy C <dorothycr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Different brake styles would be the main thing, now that Sams are V brake 
> 
>> On Thursday, September 3, 2020 at 7:05:38 AM UTC-7 Joel wrote:
>> Old thread, I wonder if now since both are MIT and both now have the same TT 
>> slope if the opinions expressed hold.  Also I don’t know if the tubing is 
>> now the same.  
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Friday, August 11, 2017 at 9:39:25 PM UTC-4, Paul Choi wrote:
>>> I'm new to Rivendell bikes and to this forum. I'm considering a SH or AHH. 
>>> This would be a all-around bike that used for commuting, light touring and 
>>> some occasional off road riding. These bikes seem similar. 
>>> 
>>> Can you tell me the differences of these two bikes?
>>> 
>>> For those of you that have both - your feedback would be really 
>>> appreciated. 
>>> 
>>> Paul in Santa Clara, CA.
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