Hi Andy. Thanks for the comparison. I've been commuting by bike for about 
the same timespan, including on a Clem. For the last 5-6 years, my commute 
has been 5-7 miles each way. I commute in most weather.  It gets humid and 
hot here in the Hudson Valley in the summer months. I maybe ride a tad 
slower, but really, as soon as I arrive, pow, the sweat just materializes. 
Oh well. I change my undershirt and clean up a bit with a damp towel. The 
chance to ride in on a beautiful summer morning completely outweighs any 
worry about sweat.

On Friday, June 5, 2020 at 6:51:02 PM UTC-4, ANDREW ALLEN ERMAN wrote:
>
> Dear all, I hope you are weathering the many and terrible challenges 
> facing our country at the present time.  I am always thankful for bikes but 
> more so now.  It is good to have something in one's life, that one loves. 
>  Grant's essay on the racial inequities regarding biking hit a nerve.  I 
> guess being privileged can mean taking things for granted, like being able 
> to ride a bike and not worrying about being singled out because of how I 
> look.  I digress.  I have commuted to work for the past 31 years.  Several 
> years ago I got tired of changing my clothes when I got to work and when I 
> left, so I bought an electric bike (a Stromer ST2).  My ride was faster.  I 
> did not sweat.  I could wear my work clothes to work (no need to change my 
> clothes).  I have logged around 6000 miles on the Stromer.  I have no 
> complaints about this bike.  It has been reliable and does the job.  A 
> while ago, I set my Clem up for commuting or carrying groceries or 
> whatever.  When the weather was cold (a relative concept, as I live in Los 
> Angeles), I decided to try commuting on the Clem.  My commute is 4 miles 
> each way.  I have been riding it ever since and my Stromer has sat largely 
> unused.  So here are the pros and cons as I see it, between commuting with 
> these 2 bikes:
>
> *Stromer pros:*
> Fast (up to 28 to 30 mph, if I work hard, usually cruise in the low 20s)
> No to little sweating
> Comfortable (seat and front suspension)
>
> *Stromer cons:*
> Doesn't quite feel like a regular bike - there is always a little 
> undefinable something (weight, moment of drag, not sure what it is)
> Changing a rear flat is a MAJOR hassle as this is a rear hub motor and 
> removing the wheel is more difficult - I use Marthon Plus tires and 
> thankfully have had only one flat in the years I have owned the bike
> The bike is very heavy (a. 60 lb.) so transporting on a trunk mounted bike 
> rack is more of a challenge
>
> *Clem pros:*
> Comfortable (more than the Stromer, probably because I am going slower and 
> perhaps because of the long wheel base)
> I get to enjoy the scenery more as I am going slower
>
> *Clem cons:*
> I am back to riding in bike shorts and T-shirt and changing my clothes at 
> work
>
> Overall, I enjoy the riding experience of the Clem more.  It feels more 
> like a bike, which funny enough, it is.  I am enjoying the low tech-ness of 
> the Clem.  I look at the Clem (which is parked in my office) and I enjoy 
> the view.  I did not do that with the Stromer.
>
> I will probably ride the Stomer when it gets very hot.  For now, I am on 
> the Clem.  However, I am subject to change, like the weather.
>
> My best to you all.
>
> Andy
>

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