What I observed was a really reasonable, civil topic highlighting BLM and an 
fundraising effort that Jan is making with Bicycle Quarterly. Maybe I missed 
something inflammatory in it, but the email is now lost (along with the link ( 
https://www.renehersecycles.com/a-small-thing-bq-fund-drive-to-benefit-black-lives-matter/
 ) ).

Like others, I want this to remain a civil community. However, I find the 
judgement call about what is "on topic" problematic. If this is about civility, 
let's focus on that and not muddy the waters with any other areas for 
subjectivity.

Here are some different actions that could be taken:

- Write a code of conduct for the group and post it as a sticky post. Be clear 
about what constitutes uncivil behavior, what kinds of topics are explicitly 
disallowed, and what the consequences are when someone breaks the rules.

- When it comes to deleting threads, I think it's really important to preserve 
the thread so that people can see how the code is being enforced. This provides 
accountability in both directions. The obvious exception would be for threads 
or messages that are hateful or abusive. I'd suggest a policy like this:

* When someone posts something uncivil, it will be deleted.

* When someone posts something about a topic that is explicitly disallowed, the 
thread will be locked (but not deleted) along with a reminder about the code of 
conduct.

* When someone posts something that isn't uncivil seems like it could be taking 
the thread in that direction, the thread will be locked (but not deleted) along 
with a personal statement from the moderator about them making the call to shut 
it down in order to protect the community sense of safety and civility.

Again, this is ultimately your community Jim and you have the power & 
responsibility to make the call here. The rest of us have the power & 
responsibility to make sure that we are participating in a community that is 
compatible with our core values.

William

William
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On Wed, Jun 03, 2020 at 9:42 AM, Philip Williamson < 
philip.william...@gmail.com > wrote:

> 
> 
> 
> Thank you for your thoughtful post, Franklyn. I agree that race is an
> in-bounds topic here, but name-calling is unacceptable and
> counter-persuasive. I’ve seen more people bend away from their reflexive
> answers in the last few days than ever before on the internet, and only in
> response to kindness while explaining a different perspective.
> 
> 
> 
> I’m sorry that stuff happens to you. It sounds much worse than my
> experience with people in cars who feel I’m a just target for being on
> “their” roads. I’m glad you persist in riding. I also particularly enjoy
> your photos of Berkeley views.
> 
> 
> 
> Philip
> Santa Rosa, CA
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