JP, I've been meaning to add my two cents to this thread and hopefully be helpful to you. I own a Toyo (2007) A. Homer Hilsen (59 cm) and an MIT Atlantis (55 cm). I've taken the time to ride both in the last week in an effort to appreciate/zero in on the differences. Before talking about the rides, however, it would probably be helpful if I described the builds.
Both bikes have similar builds, although the Atlantis has a slightly more upscale bulid with a Shimano XT drivetrain while the AHH has a Shimano Deore drivetrain. The Atlantis has a better crankset (MIddleburn), bottom bracket (SKF), and headset (Cane Creek). The AHH has standard Riv components in these areas. Both have Paul brakes -- centerpull on the AHH, Motolites on the Atlantis. The AHH has Velocity Atlas rims with Rene Herse Barlow Pass EL 38 x 700c tires; the Atlantis has Velocity Quill rims with tubeless Rene Herse Antelope Hill EL 55 x 700c tires. Both bikes have Nitto Bullmoose handlebars. While the Atlantis has several upgrades, i don't think they actually affect the rides of the two bikes in any very noticeable way. No doubt the different tire sizes contribute to any difference. Finally, both have Berthoud saddles, Aspin on the Atlantis, Aravis on the AHH. I bought the Atlantis new recently hoping -- expecting -- it would become my one bike. I expected to be selling my AHH and my Simpleone. The jury is still out. Since i received the Atlantis in early March, I've ridden it the most. The ride, as many have described, is very forgiving. It takes both pavement and dirt extremely well, perhaps just a bit better than the AHH. I have not noticed any Atlantis handling issues. It tracks very well taking corners as well as the AHH. It goes exactly where I want it to go. As others have noted, I'm the heaviest part of either ride, so the modest additional weight of the Atlantis is only slightly noticeable. So, why am I at sixes and sevens with respect to making the Atlantis my one bike? When I get on the AHH, it still seems nearly perfect for most of the riding I do, which is on pavement. When it's on dirt, it does not handle quite as well as the Atlantis. Still I love the AHH, in some ways have thought of it as the best Rivendell has designed. And it is beautiful -- I love the blue color. And, while Grant swears their is no difference between Toyo, and Waterford AHhs, in my head I feel the Japanese builders understand steel and brazing in their souls. So, I will keep the AHH for now. I will ride both, although the Atlantis will get dibs most days, And, the Simpleone will soon be offered to others. I hope this is helpful. Let me know if I can add any more.. Steve Cole Arlington, VA On Tuesday, April 28, 2020 at 9:41:29 PM UTC-4, JP wrote: > > > (As I mentioned previously i thought i "needed" a new bike but don't. > However, it was too late I wanted a new bike.) > > I had always planned on getting a 63 MUSA Homer, but I just bought a New > Atlantis frame based on the following logic: > > 1. The best bike i've ridden has been the my dads Homer 63 cm Toyo. > 2. I've loved my Sam but i always like how the Homer was bigger (and it > felt longer). The new bikes in the running (New Homer, New Atlantis and > Appaloosa) are all even longer than the 63cm Homer > 3. Shell ridge is very close to where i live and i would be interested in > riding there. > 4. Even if I was going to get the New Homer, it's sold out in my size. > 4. Will @ RBW said an Appaloosa with Homer sized tires will feel more like > a "Homer" than a Homer with big tires would. > 5. Appaloosa is also sold out. > 6. New Atlantis even longer and sturdier > > I'm possibly going to cannibalize the Sam and then sell the frame, the > silver sidepull brakes, and possibly the crank if RBW can't help me get a > 1-1 ratio out the small ring. Or sell to family member. > > My brother has a 62 hunq and it doesn't feel a little heavier to ride than > the homer, but not dramatically so. I've read the "weight thread" and I > still don't feel like i know the answer and so i thought it would ask > > *Is the New Atlantis going to fill "heavy" compared to a Sam or Homer?* > > JP > > > > > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/a978f263-c513-4755-809a-732dfe9b9a35%40googlegroups.com.
