My 1973 Motobecane Grand Record had chainstays 44.5 cm long to the center
of the long dropouts, identical in length to those of my later 2 Riv Road
customs.

On Sun, Apr 26, 2020 at 7:08 AM Mark Roland <absolutegal...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Grant did not pioneer chainstay lengths in the 44-46cm range. I currently
> have 3 vintage road bicycles, designed to have drop bars positioned below
> the saddle height. Chainstays are 45cm. (I've owned road bikes with 46cm
> chainstays as well, 57-60cm seat tubes). Handling on my bicycles is
> excellent. This chainstay range is not atypical for both racing and "sport"
> bicycles from the 1950s-80s. To imply that the Roadini is not suitable for
> a lower bar position simply because it did not work for you, not sure that
> is a valid conclusion. (Obviously can't get a "super racer" drop, as the
> upslope frame is designed to accommodate higher bar positions--but does not
> preclude lower up to a point, and depending on how one sizes the frame
> initially.)
>
>
> On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 12:47:02 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> I'm not at all faulting your decision to sell your Roadini, but my 2 most
>> recent Road customs have 45 mm stays and define my idea of impeccable
>> handling with bar 3-4 cm below saddle, tho' on 8 cm stems. Dodging potholes
>> is easy! 73* sta, tho' saddle pretty far back on rails.
>>
>

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