My 'big' vehicle is a Honda Odyssey.  That's what I use when I'm 
transporting high schoolers and their bikes to team practices.  I have just 
a simple 2 bike hitch rack, but a couple of the other coaches have similar 
vans with 4 slots on top plus 4 more on the hitch rack in back for a total 
of 8 bikes.  It's pretty awesome.

More relevant to Rivendell, if I fold down the back seats, and remove the 
middle row of seats, and fold down the console between the two front seats, 
I can fit my HubbuHubbuH tandem fully inside the vehicle.  The front wheel 
is removed and the bike does not have fenders.  My HHH is a size small, 
though, but it has front and rear bosco bars and a Nitto Big front rack and 
huge Wald basket, so it's still a pretty huge machine.

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Tuesday, October 29, 2019 at 7:33:51 PM UTC-7, LeRoy wrote:
>
> When I bought my Clem 59 in the Spring of 2018, I carried it back from New 
> Jersey to Michigan *inside* a very sub-compact Jeep Renegade, along with 
> three guys and enough luggage and gear for a long weekend. Granted, the 
> Clem was reduced to its smallest sub-units: frame, wheels, handlebar, 
> fenders, seat, racks, etc. But it all fit. Inside. And so did three grown 
> men + gear. This was all fine for a one-time transport but not conducive to 
> regularly carting the Clem around.
> Earlier this year, I did a trial fit of the Clem in my wife's somewhat 
> bigger Jeep Compass. With the bike's front wheel removed and the car's 
> front passenger seat all the way forward, the Clem was a *very* tight 
> fit. Still indoors, but human occupancy in the front passenger seat wasn't 
> going to happen. The result was one person and one bike safely on board. 
> Clearly, I needed a bigger vehicle.
> So, as I shopped for a replacement for the Renegade, I figured that moving 
> up the Jeep food chain one notch - to the Cherokee model - would result in 
> a better Clem-fit. Nope. Who would have thunk that the 
> bigger-on-the-outside Cherokee was actually smaller-on-the-inside? It would 
> *barely* accommodate the Clem! The bike fits less well in the Cherokee 
> than the Compass. It's certainly more difficult to load and unload. Of 
> course, discovering this occurred *after* leasing the new Cherokee.
> The lesson is, apparently, to take one's bike along when car-shopping. Or 
> bring the test ride home long enough to test-fit the bike. Or, to borrow 
> from the old carpenter's adage, measure twice, buy once.
> Other than that, I really like both the Clem and the new Cherokee. But the 
> end result is that the Jeep will be getting a trailer hitch and the Clem 
> will be riding outdoors, on the back of the Cherokee.
> Anyone else run into a similar doesn't-quite-fit dilemma? ...or have a 
> clever solution that hasn't occurred to me?
>

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