Thanks all for your comments so far!

Patrick, I know you are a bigger frame kinda guy.  I'm finding that I don't 
like the bigger frame on my local trails.  My 64 Atlantis is wonderful for 
gravel and pavement, but feels way big (as does my 59 ClemH) on 
singletrack.  A longish stem and a MTB flatish bar, or Wavie, might be the 
ticket for me on a 52.  Dunno...

Christopher, I guess my saddle height reference is more of a side comment.  
Back in the 60s when my friends and I tore up trails on our "BMX'd" 
Stingrays, we'd always lower our saddles.  I guess it was what you'd call a 
learned adaptation to riding rigid bikes that bounce over roots and rocks 
when ridden fast :)  Done that ever since when riding rigid when the going 
gets rough off-road.

Zed, I was hoping you'd chime in too, as I've followed your Clem 
experiences with great interest.  You have probably toyed with more 
combinations of Clem setups than any of us.  I think you're on to something 
re: making a smaller Clem bigger is an easier feat than a bigger one 
smaller.

Eric, yes that's a great point re: reach...but it's kinda crazy of me to 
even compare.  The 52 Clem H's ETT (actually 60cm, 71.5 ST angle) would 
effectively give a greater reach than my 61 Roadini (60.5 ETT, 72 ST angle) 
and my 60.5 AHH (60 ETT, 71.5 ST angle), as their taller seat tubes would 
put more of the top tube behind the crank.  And of course the 59 Clem's 
reach would be longer still.  

It is interesting that several of the Blue Lug Clem H's are set up with 
more seat post height than what is normally confitured/pictured elsewhere.  
That's really what started me down this line of thinking for off-road 
riding.

Tom 

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