FWIW, I was at the top of the PBH range of the 50cm MIT Atlantis and the 
bottom of the 53cm. I went with the 53 and am glad I did. I am using Billie 
bars and the longer TT of the 53 is just right. I can also use drops with a 
short stem. I'd call Riv and discuss sizing with them because at some point 
you may want to use upright bars and the longer TT of the 59 would be 
beneficial. BTW, I really like the ride with the longer chainstays. 

*I would absolutely vote for the 56cm/650b Atlantis, especially if you are 
planning on using drop bars.  I do not have nor have I ridden a new 
Atlantis, but we are right at the same size and that's the frame I would 
choose.  It might be different if you knew you were going to run 
upright/swept bars but still, maybe not.  I agree with the way you are 
thinking!*


On Monday, February 11, 2019 at 10:14:38 PM UTC-5, John Bokman wrote:
>
> Thanks for all the replies. I'm thinking hard about this.
> I have an 89 PBH,  78.5 cm saddle height, and ride a 58 Sam. It's perfect. 
> I have come to the conclusion that, with long legs and short torso, I 
> prefer a short stem (I use a 7cm on the Sam) and top tube no greater than 
> 59cm. The height of the frame doesn't seem to matter as much as the length. 
> Although aesthetically, I like the French-style "fist full of post", when I 
> ride, all I care about is length of top tube.
> I have a great desire to avoid toe overlap on my next Rivendell - not 
> because it's terrible, but it can be annoying, and since, for city riding, 
> I do a lot of slow, stop-and-go riding, I can incur overlap fairly often 
> (not large feet, but I use Berthoud fenders, which reduce clearance a bit). 
> I would not worry about it for "road riding", but for city, stop-and-go, 
> trackstanding, it can be problematic.
> I am of the opinion, since I ride with bars below saddle height and use 
> drops (would even use drops on the Atlantis),that I'd be okay on the 56 
> 650B. Are there dissenting thoughts otherwise?
> (I must admit that I was spurred to thoughts of an Atlantis by the latest 
> blahg post. I would hate, hate, hate, to miss out on another Riv).
>
>
>
> On Monday, February 11, 2019 at 3:04:13 PM UTC-8, Tim Bantham wrote:
>>
>> John, What you are describing are some of the joys of owning a Rivendell. 
>> I too have a Sam which I love. It was my first Riv and I used it for 
>> everything. It never let me down and did all those tasks well. I was in a 
>> similar situation where I wanted a dedicated touring bike that I would take 
>> on S24o's and week long tours as time allowed. I ended up with an Appaloosa 
>> as my second bike. The Appaloosa is a fantastic bike and so is my roadish 
>> Sam. I feel that the Sam/Joe combo will suit all my cycling needs for years 
>> to come. Get the MIT Atlantis to complement your Sam. There is enough of a 
>> difference to make it worthwhile. 
>>
>> Tim
>>
>> On Sunday, February 10, 2019 at 8:32:09 PM UTC-5, John Bokman wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm a super-duper happy owner of a Sam. It's a fantastic commuter. (I 
>>> know it can do more, but don't). However...I have always wanted an 
>>> Atlantis. Now, it's (almost) affordable for me. 
>>> I've been thinking of getting an Atlantis in 650 B, using it as my 
>>> commuter (and hopefully, touring bike if I can ever get time off), and 
>>> setting up my Sam as my "fast, stripped down road/ dirt bike.
>>>
>>> Crazy?
>>>
>>> The Sam, which now holds front and rear Tubus racks, Nitto Front F32, 
>>> and carries panniers on my daily grind, would be stripped down to no racks, 
>>> and eventually a lighter wheel set than my current  (not shabby) Velocity 
>>> Synergies.
>>>
>>> Probably roll with Compass tires on it, too (now run the excellent, 
>>> affordable, Vittoria Voyager Hypers).
>>>
>>> The only thing I have not loved about my Sam has been that I get toe 
>>> overlap at times at slow speed city riding. It's annoying at times. I am 
>>> confident with a 650B setup of the 56cm Atlantis, this would be a non-issue.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>

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