Yesterday I OS'ed for the first time the 35mm Compass (Bon Jovie Pass?),
with tubes. Had a goathead flat. What I didn't know was that there was more
than one goathead lurking in that tire. Those little suckers hide in the
tread and just barely protrude into the tire. You can feel for them but
sometimes it takes a boomp to make it stick into the tube. Got a mile and
poof, that's what happened. Pumped up the tire. Gave it a spin and bingo,
fixed. Keep these tires at 45-50 pounds.
I also run tubes with the Rat Trap Passes on my All Rounder. Mostly
out of fear. This happened twice. Imagine you're two days out of
Whiteriver, Arizona. Two days into the backroads of the Apache Reservation
where you may see a car a day. Maybe not. You're going down a steep
rock-strewn road to Wildcat Crossing on the Black River to do a little fly
fishing and BAM! A rock has just sliced your tire from rim, up thru the
sidewall and a wee bit into the tread. Tubeless? Going to be a bear to boot
and seal that split and get the extra 4 ounces of Orange Seal you brought
into the tire and keep it there. With tubes you just throw in a new one,
butterfly stitch up the sidewall, throw in a piece of filson cloth as a
boot and ride away...delicately. Keep the pressure at about 40. That's the
minimum with my lard butt and camping loads. For 99% of you this is a
non-issue but for that 1% it's something to consider.
Craig in Tucson
On Tuesday, January 29, 2019 at 12:59:41 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> +1 on full tubeless, for fat and soft, but I'm not convinced that for at
> least supple tires, tubeless is better than tubed, and there's some support
> for this position.
>
> I did however get sealant into many prestas without removable cores; just
> remove them anyway and pinch tube to keep them from disappearing into the
> abyss of the tube (even if that happens, not hard to get cores back in
> place).
>
> Someone on CR list uses large veterinarian syringes for his sealant;
> sealant itself heals the hole. I've not tried this. Now of course I buy
> removable cores, but I had a stash of old tubes.
>
> On Tue, Jan 29, 2019 at 12:08 PM [email protected] <javascript:> <
> [email protected] <javascript:>> wrote:
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>> Tubes have to be built with removable valve cores from the start. You
>> can't swap them out, as it's the entire valve that is different. It's hit
>> or miss at a LBS when you're trying to find them, so check first.
>>
>> I've run Stan's in tubes before, and have had marginal success. Maybe 75%
>> of the punctures (all goathead) sealed. But that means the other 25%
>> didn't, and that's a problem. You can't field-repair a tube with sealant in
>> it, as the patch won't adhere to the tube. You can patch it back at home if
>> you get it clean enough, but it could still be a problem. YMMV of course.
>>
>> Full tubeless is the way to go. Save your pennies and get a wheelset
>> built up. I am mostly converted over, and honestly don't ride the bikes
>> that are not set up tubeless anymore.
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 29, 2019 at 9:30:17 AM UTC-8, Brett Callahan wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks for the notes, very helpful. Did you remove the valve cores from
>>> another set of tubes, or are they available as a part on their own?
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, January 29, 2019 at 9:22:33 AM UTC-8, DarinM wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I have used sealant in tubes for 6-8 months. I use standard Stan's
>>>> sealant in Schwalbe tubes for 26x54 and 650bx42 tires and have not had a
>>>> flat I had to stop and deal with since starting. The tubes have removable
>>>> cores, which I remove and then use the Stan's injector to add 2-3oz. I
>>>> think I topped them off once before a tour as a precaution.
>>>>
>>>> I've been using sealant with Compass standard and various Schwalbe,
>>>> including the Liteskin casing which is very thin. I think it's been pretty
>>>> effective.
>>>>
>>>> I've noticed that the sealant is still very much liquid when handling
>>>> the tube while changing tires, so longevity hasn't been an issue for me. I
>>>> have had to swap valve cores on one set of tubes when pumping started
>>>> taking a little too much effort.
>>>>
>>>> Darin
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, January 29, 2019 at 7:53:44 AM UTC-8, Brett Callahan wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Friends, I know it has been discussed here before, but I'm awful with
>>>>> the Google Groups search function. Would anyone be willing to share about
>>>>> their experience using Stan's or Orange Seal in tubes?
>>>>>
>>>>> I've got a set of Compass tires that I'd like to ride, but it seems
>>>>> they always have a slow leak from a small puncture. From what I gather,
>>>>> sealant in the tubes may help combat that.
>>>>>
>>>>> Specific questions are: which sealant do you use? Which tubes do you
>>>>> pair it with? With a tube with a removable valve core, do I need to do
>>>>> anything specific to get it in, or just up end the bottle? How much do
>>>>> you
>>>>> put in in a go?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for any willing to share their knowledge. I appreciate the
>>>>> brain trust that is this group.
>>>>>
>>>>> Brett, PDX
>>>>>
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