I think but I am not sure that those are indicative of a Joe (Starck)/Joe 
(Bell) frame, the former of whom/which/something was no longer 
collaborating with Riv in 2008, but was likely involved as early as '98. So 
that could be a good tell.

I also think but am not sure that Waterford would've built a MUSA frame in 
2008, but I'm uncertain as to when Curt Goodrich officially stopped 
building for Riv. Looks like 2007?

Jeff Hagedorn
Los Angeles, CA USA

On Thursday, January 3, 2019 at 8:48:58 AM UTC-8, Jake P wrote:
>
> My AR has it's brithday (I'm assuming it's the day it was painted) hand 
> painted on the bottom of the BB shell. You could always ask the owner to 
> send you a pic 

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