On 12/20/18 12:17 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote:
Steve asked for my reasoning.

1. The front extension length was too long because the UNSUPPORTED front extension vibrated and flexed enough to make objectionable noises. That's an objective fact that we both agree on 2. The front extension length was longer than necessary because it is not and never will be required to protect the underside of a traditional handlebar bag or basket.  That is a judgement call by me that I think you can provisionally support 3. The front extension length was longer than necessary because it was much longer than SKS P45s, which I have used for thousands of miles and have never felt my body was insufficiently protected from spray off the tops of my tires. That is a judgement call by me that you've shared you are pretty sure you disagree with.  Fair enough 4. The lower SPAN between the fork crown and the stay was too long because my physical sideways manipulation of the fender at the midpoint of that span showed me the fender was objectionably flexy.  This model of fender is also too skinny in cross section. A wider fender cross section would be stiffer laterally and could handle that span-length better. This is a judgement call by me. 5. The lower extension was both too short and too long, because it wasn't long enough to protect my feet optimally, and wasn't short enough to add a flap to protect my feet. This is a judgement call by me.

Given those judgments, I needed to do one of three things

A. Add a stay to the front to address 1.  Reposition the existing stay to address 4.  Cut the trailing edge to address 5. Leave the front longer than necessary (2,3) because it looks cool B. Rotate the whole fender backwards to address 1, 2, 3 and 5. Redrill everything to reposition everything, addressing 4. C. Cut the trailing edge and add a flap, and rotate the remaining fender back. Reposition the existing stay, addressing 1-5.

I went with C because it maintains my ability to put the bike on my Yakima fork mount roof rack.  A full-length front fender makes that impractical, as you know.


Thanks for the clear explanation of your thinking.  Precisely what I was hoping for!  I always enjoy seeing the way you work out these solutions.

As for those Yakima mounts, I do indeed know, although shoulder injuries have made my use of any roof rack entirely out of the question.  A case could be made for a Rinko-style separable fender for that situation, in that even a shortened fender with flap doesn't work all that well - at least, it didn't for me, with SKS fenders on my Rambouillet.


Bill

On Thursday, December 20, 2018 at 8:43:50 AM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote:


    On 12/19/18 10:45 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote:
    > Steve P asked why I did things my way instead of his way.
    >
    > I decided to cut the fender off because I decided the front
    fender was too long for my use on this bike. If I decided to leave
    the fender too long for my liking on this bike, I would have run
    another stay.


    Fair enough, but how did you determine that its length was too long?
    Curious to understand your reasoning.


Steve Palincsar
Alexandria, Virginia
USA

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