In my experience, aluminum fenders warp easily compared to steel and sks. Steel seem more dent prone. I had my wood working nephew make a rounded piece of oak the size of the inside of my fender which taps out dents. A fender with dents is usable. Warped has to go to recycling.
As such, I have Berthouds on my city bike and will have Berthouds on my 650b. My camper has SKS. Until seeing this thread, I was not aware of the Berthoud/SKS composites. I think I may get a set for the camper. On Mar 13, 8:48 am, PATRICK MOORE <bertin...@gmail.com> wrote: > The Honjos, 45s, are 559s and hammered, which may make them stiffer than the > smooth VO 45 622s, but whatever the reason, they are stiffer and the metal > seems harder. The front VO on the Moto will crimp slightly at the edges > where it bends, either because of hitting (lightly; a solid blow would > deform it) the long trailing edge on a curb or from ham handed adjustments. > The fittings seem to be of similar quality in each case. I'd personally > choose Honjos for a "nice" bike or for longer term investment, but I'd > choose VOs over SKSes, not necessarily for longevity but simply because I've > found metals to be quieter, longer and less prone to warping; and they are > lighter, for wtw. > > The Berthouds I owned were 650B 50s. They seemed to dent more easily than > any of the aluminums; can't say why. They were quite stiff and at least as > sturdy (dents aside; I mean as to crimping, warping and bending, loosening) > as the Honjos. Here an anecdote: I gave the trailing edge of the front a > good, solid whack once when riding off a curb. The blow jammed the leading > edge hard against the tire, but it did not crimp the fender or, at least, > did so only slightly. The VOs would have bent severely, and probably the > Honjos would have crimped, too. They are the heaviest of the lot. I prefer > the aluminum for the combination of strength, looks and weight (Honjos) or > cost and weight (VO). > > IIRC: Aluminums about 1 lb/pair; SKSes about 1 1/2 lb, Berthouds about 2 lb. > > > > > > On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 9:37 PM, Earl Grey <earlg...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Since you tried all 3 main brands, can you tell me if you have any > > preferences? Are the Honjos worth it? I love some VO products (the > > seatpost), but others just seem cheaply made out of inferior materials > > (i.e the bags), in which case I'd rather spend double or triple and > > get something really nice and durable. > > > Gernot > > > On Mar 13, 10:10 am, PATRICK MOORE <bertin...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > T > > > > On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 6:58 PM, Earl Grey <earlg...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > I was under the impression that they are more rattley, but perhaps > > leather > > > > washers solve that. > > > > I've used Honjos, VOs and Berthouds, and found that they rattle less > > because > > > they flex less, regardless of leather washers (which, I understand, you > > use > > > to allow a bit of flex between fender and frame and thus prevent > > cracking). > > > (The front VO 45 on the Motobecane rattles only because I used pop rivets > > to > > > hold on the L bracket on instead of tight, loctited screws.) SKSes seem > > to > > > be far less rattly than Zefals (ugh!) or PBs. > > > > > Also, I have never had composite fenders warp. Which brands have you > > had > > > > warping problems with? > > > > I've left my bike in the back of my car, resting on the SKS fender, and > > had > > > it warp, not permanently but for a few days until, released, it relaxed. > > I > > > daresay that the SKSes are actually stronger than some of the metals, > > since > > > they will -- as your experience shows -- bounce back, but in seven or > > eight > > > years of using metals, I've had no breakage or undue damage despite > > somewhat > > > careless treatment. > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<rbw-owners-bunch%2Bunsubscrib > > e...@googlegroups.com> > > . > > For more options, visit this group at > >http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- > Patrick Moore > Albuquerque, NM > For professional resumes, contact > Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com > (505) 227-0523 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
