Och, well. Worth a shot. He’s well ahead of where I was then. No need to push things over a top tube. Grin. Your shop should be able to mount racks on Cleary Bikes via P-clamps by being a bit creative. Folks here do on Rivs et al without brazons by that method. Call them and talk with them at Cleary. They were great to work with. I’m unaware of those other options. They didn’t exist when we bought for four, and we’ve been able to spread things out well, so haven’t needed more of the same size till their adult bikes.
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