Salsa has this chart of ASTM riding conditions that most riders have seen 
in some form or another:
https://salsacycles.com/files/tech/7532_SAL_ASTM_Use_Chart_F_Bikes.pdf

Grant mentions the European "EN" mountain bike standards in Clem 
descriptions, but not in any other bike description that I can recall.  
Unfortunately I can't find a free version of these EN standards anywhere, 
so no way to compare.

Other mountain bikes I've bought from Surly, Specialized, and Trek all 
include a version of the ASTM chart with the bike's paperwork, indicating 
where the bike falls on the chart.  I like this straight to the point way 
of explaining what that bike was manufactured to withstand, and what you'd 
better not try with it.  Of course it's not air-tight, but it does give one 
an idea of what you can safely do with it.

I'd like to have something like that for my Toyo Atlantis.  Yes I know it's 
a strong bike built for road touring and some minor off-road stuff.  But 
one assumes a Toyo Atlantis isn't as stout as a Hunq ... but practically 
speaking, what IS the difference?  What are the reasonable limits for 
each?  Should we assume all Riv's are ASTM 2's?  I'm guessing there's some 
exhorbitant cost for having a bike ASTM tested, and that's why we don't 
have that info for Riv's.

Anyway, Reed's tubing measurements project got me to thinking about this.  
No hand-wringing, just curious.  I searched the bunch and didn't find 
anything much on this topic so thought I'd ask.  Also, it would be great if 
anyone out there has an EN riding conditions chart to share.

Thanks,
Tom



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