Is the stand over height calculated at the actual top top with the 6 degree 
slope, or the theoretical top tube?

- Cody

On Thursday, August 23, 2018 at 7:50:06 PM UTC-4, Reed Kennedy wrote:
>
> On Thu, Aug 23, 2018 at 3:53 PM Cody Bartz <[email protected] 
> <javascript:>> wrote:
>
>> Thank you Kainalu and Reed. According to the geometry charts, the 
>> Waterford Sam, size 64cm, has a stand over height of 91.5cm. The current 
>> Sam, size 62cm, has a stand over height of 90.5. Is that 1cm difference 
>> going to feel much different? In the 64cm Sam, the top tube appears to be 
>> 2cm longer, and the chain stays are 1cm shorter. 
>>
>
> Ah, good point Cody! I forgot that unlike my Hilsen the current Sam has a 
> 6° sloping top tube. The 62cm 6° New-Sam has the same theoretical 62.5cm 
> top tube as my 65cm 1.5° Waterford-Hilsen. Should get the bars up just 
> about as high and fit just about the same. I got it wrong, I bet you'd fit 
> just fine on the 62cm New-Sam. (And I bet I would too!)
>
> You're right about the longer top tube on the 64cm Waterford-Sam compared 
> to the 62cm New-Sam. All other things being equal (and all bodies being 
> proportional) the longer TT'd 64cm Waterford-Sam might be predisposed to 
> work a bit better with upright bars, and the shorter TT'd 62cm New-Sam 
> might be preferable for drop bars. But I suspect both would work out with 
> either. 
>
> All that said, bear in mind what Grant said on the old Rambouillet flyer:
>
> "The least useful [fit information], yet most likely to be harped on, is 
> top tube length. You cannot compare bikes by top tube length unless seat 
> tube angles and head tube height and steerer length are exactly the same."
>
> Of course he's right. The Hilsen I'm building only needed a 1cm shorter 
> stem to put the bars in the same place as my custom Fitz, which has a 2cm 
> shorter top tube!
>
>
> Best,
> Reed
>

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