Patrick Moore - are you saying H.L. Mencken is a positive force?  Surely 
there are intelligent writers who weren't racist and anti-Semitic.  

I whole-heartedly support Grant putting his opinion our there (not just 
because I agree with it).  At the same time, this whole thread has got me 
bummed out - I hate to say it but it's been a sad kind of wake-up call to 
realize that there are Trump supporters who appreciate what I 
appreciate...my little bubble of bicycles has been popped!  

I guess you take a bunch of (mostly) older (mostly) men, (some) with $20K 
worth of recreational machines, (all) who spend a lot of time on the 
internet, and you're bound to get some old-school and far-out opinions.   

I still prefer to see this forum the other way (which it also is):  take a 
bunch of people enthusiastic about a functionality, aesthetics, and 
bicycles, and exercise, smart people, some L.O.T.R. fans, put them together 
and get some really pleasing, overly in-depth reviews of really 
un-neccesary outdoor fabrics, and lovely long discussions about bikes that 
Grant won't be designing but which he 'could' :)  It makes me happy.  

Still happy to read all these things every evening.

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On Tuesday, July 3, 2018 at 9:52:30 AM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Joe: I like you, but your rhetoric is bumbling and more passionate than 
> intelligent, and that is true of much of what has been posted on this 
> subject. I disassociated myself from one of Richard's comments earlier, 
> because it was posted as reply to something I had posted, but I will 
> support his later attempts to bring context and clarification to his 
> assertions.
>
> Note this: I do not necessarily agree with his context and clarifications 
> -- I might indeed disagree with them; I just haven't researched the issue 
> sufficiently, and therefore I wisely keep my mouth shut on the matter. But 
> I do support his attempt to bring quality of discourse to a thread that has 
> been lamentably heavy on passion and weak on intelligence. 
>
> That is how Hitler got elected -- repeat, elected. Demagoguery succeeds by 
> making use of unintelligent high emotion. 
>
> The stupidity level of this thread is getting dangerously high. I prefer 
> H. l. Mencken.
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 3, 2018 at 7:37 AM, Joe Bernard <joer...@gmail.com 
> <javascript:>> wrote:
>
>> I like the part where Richard acted shocked that I said Trump was 
>> abducting children, then supported the policy of abducting children. The 
>> art of doublespeak is strong with this one. Who btw is now talking on a Riv 
>> forum after renouncing Rivendells. 
>>
>
>

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