What do we want this group to be? Grant laments having to edit himself too 
much, yet that is exactly what those here who disagree with “lefties” are often 
asked to silently do.

I’m not sure the “lefties,” as Grant self-described, realize how much of the 
lefty echo chamber gets unwittingly expressed in various ways on this group nor 
do they realize the choice it presents with folks who disagree. In part this is 
because they think such conclusions are commonplace across they country and in 
human thought and understanding. Sometimes (as evidenced in this thread), this 
is paired with the judgement that anyone who disagrees (or expresses nuanced 
agreement) is backward, inhuman, primative, ignorant, or worse. I generally let 
them slide. To suggest I’ve finally turned a conversation to what I want to 
talk about is incorrect. Over the years, various references to the code 
languague of the left have been used (both by Grant in writings and by others 
on this group), such as “women’s reproductive rights,” or “free to love 
whomever they choose,” or other positions that inherantly go against my 
understanding of human dignity. once understood what they stand for.

The above is one of the reasons I “went there.” If not everyone can agree with 
science that a human egg fertalized by a human sperm is both human and alive 
and thus logically has human rights, including to life, we need to absolutly 
stick to bike talk. So while I grasp the desire to not have to self edit, by 
having the echo chamber sneak in as it has more recently, means anyone who 
disagrees either has to be silent, or speak up, or leave. Is that what this 
group wants? I am happy to leave if so. However, I am a Catholic deacon and I 
will not longer remain silent in the face of the echo chamber. Also, for the 
record, I have many moral issues with many of our presidents. If you want to 
understand my politics, Catholic Social Teaching is your best bet. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick  

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