Thanks for chiming in, Grant. I'm glad to hear that y'all are riding these 
bikes on trails much like I will be riding the Appaloosa on; the gravel 
roads around me present some good riding but have steep hills with deep 
gravel. I do think a longer bike with bigger tires is going to be a huge 
improvement over my cyclocross bike. 

Watching the evolution of Rivendell bikes has been fun for me and it is 
time to try out one of the newer designs. Bike evolution is something I've 
witnessed in the MTB world firsthand. In that world, the builders are 
feverishly working at making the chainstays as short as they can and the 
top tube measurement as long as they can (probably because going downhill 
really, really fast through berms and rock gardens is helped by that kind 
of geometry). I can tell you from my experience owning several recent Mtbs 
and living through the evolution, the geometry changes are making the bikes 
hard to get up a steep hill making the rider fight to keep the front wheel 
down and tracking correctly while keeping forward momentum. Now, they are 
still a lot of fun for bombing down twisty singletrack, popping wheelies, 
and generally acting like a kid who has had too much sugar but it's almost 
a one trick pony. 

The new Atlantis looks good!  I'm really looking forward to getting my 
Appaloosa built up and riding it. 

On Wednesday, March 21, 2018 at 3:18:34 PM UTC-5, Grant @ Rivendell wrote:

> I'm with Ryan. We've ridden a lot of bikes, lots of variations, and we 
> live surrounded by roads and trails no more than 15 minutes by bike away. 
> It's not DP-Rocky Mtn style, but as BL and JW and other locals will attest, 
> it's hard to beat. More important, we ride them. 
>
 

>
> We're not moving away from anything valuable, and an extra inch or two or 
> three of chaintay is still a small percentage of the total. It just seems 
> more when you convert inches to centimeters and focus on the tire-to-seat 
> tube gap. I seriously, honestly believe that our current bikes ride even 
> better than the older ones--which have always been and still are 
> great-riding bikes.  Changes are always tough, we will lose people, it's 
> normal to question why or attribute it to some brain-change or something, 
> but the changes that you see are evolutionary and in a good direction, I 
> think.
>
>
>

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