On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 8:43 PM, jose <jose.cor...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Even with puny 35mm Schwalbe Supremes and SKS 45mm fenders, I can get
> toe strike on my 58cm Atlantis if I try hard enough on start-up.  This
> is because sometimes my (size 12) foot placement on Grip Kings is
> accidentally too far forward initially on start-up.
>
> But its not a major issue for me. Like cyclofiend is saying, with a
> little practice its easily avoidable.
>
> I also had 29 x 2.1 Nanoraptors on the Atlantis for a time, and
> definitely had to be more conscious of it while riding the slow twisty
> semi-technical stuff. But it was still fun and not a show-stopper.
>
> Here's a pic of it with the Nanoraptors on:
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/southgatephotos/4033477230
>
> Cutting it close, but probably not an issue if i used cleats.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Feb 1, 1:14 pm, CycloFiend <cyclofi...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > on 2/1/10 6:26 AM, Allingham II, Thomas J at
> thomas.alling...@skadden.com
> > wrote:
> >
> > Am I right (or, in the alternative, completely misguided) in thinking
> that
> > TCO should not be a problem if you're not clipped in?  (I suppose maybe
> > that's why the problem is called "toe clip overlap.")
> >
> > Just for reference sake, it's important to define the following:
> >
> > "Clipped In" means using some sort of cleated interface to secure your
> shoes
> > and pedals - SPD, TIME, LOOK, etc...
> >
> > "Clipless" are the type of pedals that you clip into as above. It is an
> > honorable semantic effort to shift this phrase to "Clip in".  Even the
> > snowboarders use the phrase "Click-in binding"...
> >
> > "Toe Clips" are the cages that extend off the front of the pedal.  Once
> upon
> > a time, we nailed cleats to the bottom of our cycling shoes, so that the
> > rear lip of the pedal cage secured the shoe. Then we tightened down the
> toe
> > straps. Then we were "clipped in".  We were young and foolish.
> >
> > Slipping a pair of cycling or street shoes into a Toe Clip is "using toe
> > clips"
> >
> > All-righty then...
> >
> > One of the quickest ways to get into trouble is to get your foot _inside_
> of
> > the front wheel when stopped or at low speeds.  Really, that's about the
> > only time it can happen, because you really shouldn't be turning the bars
> > that much unless you are coming down Repack on a Klunker in about 1978 or
> > thereabouts.
> >
> > The best way to compound the problem is to be riding a fixed gear,
> because,
> > obviously, you can't backpedal and the momentum of the bicycle is driving
> > your foot.
> >
> > The first time I did this (on my Dawes commuter, which has toe clips and
> > fenders), I very luckily dropped my heel, which pointed my toe up,
> creating
> > plenty of room for the wheel to swing back to center.  Then, I seriously
> > panicked and froze up.  Luckily, the freezing took place after the fact,
> and
> > as such did not end catastrophically.
> >
> > I'm a great believer in practicing for disaster, and have since played
> with
> > this condition a bit to create some muscle memory for the future.
> >
> > Depending upon the tension in your legs, the position of your foot, you
> can
> > definitely compound the problem if your reaction is to push down harder.
> > It's really a weird feeling when it happens, and your instinctive
> reaction
> > may not be correct.
> >
> > It's not a bad idea to play with the clearances, so you know beforehand
> what
> > they are. Sitting stationary on the bike (with a spotter - some of the
> > hardest falls I've had were at 0 mph...) in a doorframe or next to some
> > support, set your foot forward and move the bars to create the problem.
> >
> > - Jim
> >
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