Wayne, the changes I experienced moving from the Bosco to the Jones on my Clem include what I described earlier regarding a more natural leaning turn (with Jones) rather than a feeling of pushing the bar to turn, as with the Bosco and more upright bars that have grips that come straight back.
The Jones is wider, so you can get into a more athletic position with more leverage -- which to me is more important off-roading. Your elbows are pointed more outward, and it allows you to engage your lat's and feel really locked in if you need that for stability, esp. on bumpy downhills. However, the Jones also gives you like 5 different hand positions (similar to Bosco, but different ones) so you're not limited to the wider grip. And with the new Gnarwal <http://www.jonesbikes.com/jones-gnarwal/>attachment Jones offers, you can even get into an aero position -- so sign up for a tri :) The Boscos that come standard on the complete Clem's are 55s, which are too narrow for my comfort anyway. My elbows are tucked in; just doesn't feel quite right to me. Don't let the limited height of the stem scare you. The grips end on your side of the stem with the 60cm reach UI-12, so even though you're lower, unless you have extremely tight hams, glutes, and lower back, it shouldn't be a problem. I'd say try it; you can always sell it if it doesn't work out, and you won't have wondered "what if....". Hope that helps, Tom On Thursday, March 8, 2018 at 6:54:36 PM UTC-5, Wayne Naha wrote: > > Thank you for the measurements, Tom! That will be a big help in figuring > out a good setup. Maybe one of those Wright 'zero stems' from > AnalogCycles > <https://www.analogcycles.com/2018/02/26/wright-stem-write-up/> would be > useful here. Though they are a bit pricy. I just don't think that the > Nitto UI-12 stem is gonna put a Jones bar high enough, and even the minimum > 60mm extension may put the bars too far forward. > After you installed the Jones loop, what changes did you notice from the > Bosco bar? > > > On Thursday, March 8, 2018 at 8:46:03 AM UTC-5, tc wrote: >> >> Wayne, thanks. Boscos definitely come back closer to the saddle, and are >> obviously higher, no matter how slammed. >> >> As for the Jones, I measured 16-1/4" between a straight edge held between >> the tips of the bar and the saddle tip. Jones bars have long grips; 7-1/2" >> from bar tip up to the brake clamp. Between saddle tip and quill bolt >> center is 19". Stem has a 60mm reach. (My Clem is a 59.) >> >> Tom >> >> >> On Wednesday, March 7, 2018 at 10:23:45 PM UTC-5, Wayne Naha wrote: >>> >>> Those Jones bars on the Clem are the bees knees, for sure. TC, can you >>> compare the reach between the Bosco and the Jones bars. As in, how far >>> does each come back? I've got the stock Bosco-moose bar on my Clem now. >>> I'm trying to figure out what stem length to use with a Jones bar. The >>> current Clem cockpit has me very upright, even with the bars "slammed," as >>> it were. >> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
