I love the playful yet pointed title of this thread Bill. :-) I want to see 
your wondrous Atlantis; unfortunately your link doesn't work for me.

I do understand the baseline method of weighing an unladen bike. But the 
truth is my bikes never leave the house without repair kit, pump, water, 
and often various other clothes, food, phone, etc. And has often been 
pointed out, I can't tell the difference between full or empty water 
bottles.

Joe and his massive bikes in GJT


On Saturday, February 17, 2018 at 8:14:28 AM UTC-7, Bill Schairer wrote:

> ~38 as she sits (some water and some "stuff" in the bag):
>
>
> https://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipNvGaoqxbsU-lkuTFlh4R1Ep05E4rxolehRTgoJ
>
> Bill Schairer
>

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