Hey Tom, sorry just saw this. I get 17.5" for this measurement. Remember, I 
have the Bosco Bull bars--with the regular Bosco you could shorten this if 
necessary (ie, if you went with the 59 Clem, in which case you need to buy 
that bike on special for $1300 asap!).  My saddle height on the Clem is 
currently 73cm, a bit on the low side, but I sometimes run my city bikes 
that way. At this height there is about 5.5" from the top of the seat tube 
to the saddle rail. The bike and the seat post could easily handle a 75cm 
saddle height without looking weird (in my book, anyway.)

On Sunday, February 11, 2018 at 4:02:36 PM UTC-5, tc wrote:
>
> Mark, thanks again.  The actual saddle height on her 58 Sam is 75cm / 
> 29.5", with about 4" of seatpost showing.  A little shorter SH than the PBH 
> - 11 calc that Riv suggests, but, it's where it's comfortable for her.  Do 
> you mind measuring the distance between the bar end of your grips and 
> approx where the seatpost would pierce the top of the saddle?  That would 
> give us a really good comparison to the Sam setup.  Thanks!
>
> Tom
>
> On Friday, February 9, 2018 at 7:44:11 AM UTC-5, Mark in Beacon wrote:
>>
>> Well, one of the things about the Clem L is you don't need to concern 
>> yourself with standover. Also the seat post and seat tube are super beefy, 
>> so if you don't mind a bit of post, the 52 will absolutely work in terms of 
>> reach to bars with a Bosco setup. I think if there is any real concern the 
>> bike could be too big, you can safely go with the 52 (if they have 'em in 
>> stock.)
>>
>

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