I'm not sure that my riding position qualifies as "upright" as being 
discussed in this thread but all of my bikes end up with the handlebars 
7-8cm higher than my saddle and I consider my position to be upright.  
 After years of discomfort, no matter what I tried, I accidently discovered 
that my reach to the bar has to be much longer than I thought.   I'm 5'11" 
and I'm riding a bike with a 61cm ETT, a 17 degree 110mm stem and that is 
the only combo that has given me any kind of comfort.  All of my rides are 
short but I experienced pain almost immediately with a shorter reach. 


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