TCO is a problem to me which I have learned to live with with all the
Rivendell models I have owned. But this does not leave me less
sensitive to GP's choice of words on this matter either. I hope
Rivendell Bicycle Works will put out a chart or a table indicating at
what size(s) among their models is TCO not going to be "a problem"
even with a size 12 feet or shoes. Or even a smaller size if 12 is a
bigger average. Some may tell me that I should tell this directly to
RBW. But I thought since GP started this subject on this forum, I can
propose it here.

-- Rene

On Feb 3, 2:12 pm, JoelMatthews <joelmatth...@mac.com> wrote:
> Anne and James:
>
> I will readily concede that TCO not being a concern to me left less
> sensitive to GP's choice of words.
>
> On Feb 3, 1:05 pm, Anne Paulson <anne.paul...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 10:48 AM, JoelMatthews <joelmatth...@mac.com> wrote:
> > >> Those who design bicycles would be urged to consider customers like
> > >> myself, recognize that TCO is an offense (however significant), and
> > >> deal with it proactively, either by eliminating it, or acknowledging
> > >> that it is a necessary evil (however significant) to be tolerated.
>
> > > Isn't that what Grant says in his post?
>
> > He said: "TCO ends up being a problem---in my opinion---only in
> > theoretics, but not in practice."
>
> > For me, TCO is a problem in practice. I don't mind hearing that the
> > desire for no TCO has to be balanced with other design considerations.
> > I do mind hearing that what is an actual problem for me is not an
> > actual problem for me.
>
> > --
> > -- Anne Paulson
>
> > He who wills the ends wills the means- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

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