What resistance are you trying to break down?  Are you trying to break down 
resistance at Rivendell Bicycle Works, and trying to convince them to make 
more mainstream bicycles?  Or are you trying to break down resistance of 
readers of the RBW owners Bunch google Group?

Rivendell offers bikes that you can't get anywhere else.  If you want a 
disc brake bike mountain bike, there are literally a hundred different 
vendors to sell one to you.  Rivendell would say "godspeed" to you as you 
go enjoy that bike.  

Asking Rivendell to make vanilla mainstream bikes strikes me like asking a 
sushi restaurant to sell you pizza.  If you want pizza, why not just go buy 
pizza from a restaurant that likes making pizza and is good at it? 
 
Is it that you are looking out for Rivendell's best interests?  The 
mainstream is over here, and if Rivendell made more mainstream bikes, they 
would be more profitable?  You can buy a Bombadil frameset today for $3000. 
 If Grant redid the Bombadil with new dropouts and new 1-1/8" lugs and with 
new disc brake attach points, and it now cost $3800, and Grant told you it 
would be available in two years, would you buy one?  

My approach is to let Rivendell make what they are good at.  Offering 
constructive suggestions is great, but I trust Rivendell knows more about 
their business than I do.  I trust them to offer products they like.  If I 
like the products they offer, I'll continue putting money in their 
register.  When my broad cycling interests take me to products Riv doesn't 
offer, I buy those products from businesses that like selling them.  

Bill who-owns-two-disc-brake-Niners Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Friday, June 23, 2017 at 10:22:13 AM UTC-7, masmojo wrote:
>
> I came to disc brakes by accident; I have always favored Cantis, but I 
> really wanted a Rawland Drakkar & they were disc only!
> Thus far I've only used mechanicals, Hayes & BB7's. Initially, I thought 
> they were frustratingly fiddly, but I've gotten to the point were I can 
> actually adjust them easier then any other brake.
> I get the argument that they don't offer superior braking; in theory it's 
> true, but in real world use, from experience, I would say they are better!
> This all leads up to the million dollar question: would a Rivendell still 
> be a Rivendell if it had disc brakes, 1 1/8 steerer, and clamp on Stem? 
> YES! Yes it would. 
> My basic standpoint is this; do you gotta go with the latest and greatest? 
> No, but, 1 1/8 inch steerers, threadless headsets/stems & disc brakes have 
> been around for 20ish years (plus), they are so old they are almost retro 
> themselves. And, if they weren't good, if they weren't an improvement, they 
> would have gone by the wayside ages ago.
> I am hopeful that forrays into these areas by the recent tandem will help 
> to break down resistance to these advancements.

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