I've had a mild curiosity about the position of the stem/handlebars versus 
the steering axis and how that affects a bike's handling.  I recently 
picked up a 1984 Trek 830 and to compensate for what I saw as a too-short 
top tube, I put on a 7 degree, 120mm stem and hated the way the bike 
steered.  When turning, it felt like the front end was about to fall out 
from under me.  Very disconcerting so I quit riding the bike for a while. 
 Recently, I decided to revisit the bike and put a 17 degree, 110mm stem 
and it's now the most intuitive handling bike I've ever ridden.  It's 
almost like I make a decision to put the front wheel at a certain point and 
it's magically there with no real conscious effort on my part.  That got me 
to wondering about the relationship between where the grips are in relation 
to the steering axis.   I guess it's just another mystery (for me) in the 
black art of bicycle geometry. 



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