i think either of the bikes is totally adequate for what you plan to do 
with it, in terms of loads and off road riding. never ridden a joe, but i 
have a sam and a hunq and for argument's sake ill pretend the hunq is a lot 
like a joe. i think what ed said about drop bars is really important. 
ive had albatross, map/ahearne, and albastache bars on the hunq that all 
felt pretty good. my drop bar experiment on the hunq, i didnt like. 
conversely, the sam always felt too upright, too squished with albatross 
bars, but it feels perfect with drops at or a little above saddle height. 
 i believe that the joe may be made for swept back bars even more than the 
hunq is. 






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