i use these 66 north pants 
<https://www.66north.com/us/men/bottoms/pants/esja-mens-pants/> with some 
wool blend long johns and am usually happy. they are kinda slim, but they 
have stretch and a gusset. i havent tested this in any extremely wet 
scenarios though. up top, i use a normal looking showers pass jacket with a 
heavy shirt or sweater, or a patagonia nano puff hoody. i like to think 
that i look like a normal person wearing this stuff. 

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