Garth, 

FWIW, your assertion that knickers can ever look "normal" for everyday wear 
strikes me as odd. I can only recall twice seeing someone wearing knickers 
on the street. While they might be handy, they're hardly "normal" attire. 
In addition, I found the velcro straps very handy indeed. I respect your 
living in a knickerized world, as well as your aversion to reflective 
stripes and velcro. Difference in attire preferences are a-ok. 

These differences in our taste and experience would seem to indicate that 
it is not possible to please everyone with each product. I'm not sure why 
you'd say that's nonsensical -- it's really the basis for market 
segmentation and Riv's existence -- and certainly for most, if not all, of 
the MUSA clothing line. 

Ride on, 

Julian "happy to live in a not all things please all people world" 
Westerhout
Bloomington, IL  

On Monday, December 5, 2016 at 7:16:26 AM UTC-6, Garth wrote:
>
>   The pants seemed a bit odd to me.  For one, for a company  that promotes 
> wearing "normal" clothes the pants with the reflectors and large velcro 
> straps reminded me of a fireman's pant,  not a "normal" looking pant at 
> all.  For comparison, he Compass knicker looks like a  normal knicker 
> anyone would wear any place. 
>
>    The cut of them could be improved too, a good pair of pants is as well 
> thought out as a say a good frame is.  Can you please everyone ?  Yes, 
> absolutely, and the idea that you cannot is nonsensical.
>

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